Gone Postal Mafia - Game Over - Scum Win

[hamfactorial]

Isn't that committing way too many resources to save one person, bare in mind I have had a wagon each day of this game?

If you are one of two scum left, it hardly seems like a waste to have your buddy protect you, or to protect yourself.

[hamfactorial]

I'm hesitant to vote you because you haven't done anything the whole game except be caught unhelpful. It's a complete die roll, I can't tell if you're scum or just fucking around for yolos.

[RedNihilist]

Ok, this is getting ridicolous.
I'll write this again: if you think I'm scum just hang me, I'm really fed up with this game and rereading 40 pages of madness because C_P says I "need to commit" on my case against Wraith is really beyond my possibilities.

Let's sum things up:
- I get a case on myself;
- I refuse to give up on this game and try to find something to help town once I flip town - namely, I case the raspy-ham couple;
- we end up lynching raspy, after a lot of effort by my side, while Wraith does his best to shift the focus from raspy to LMD;
- raspy flips scum;
- on D2 C_P asks people to slowroll because he wants to I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WANTED TO DO, HE JUST WANTED TO DO SOMETHING;
- Wraith quick-hammers;
- group hugs to Wraith because he feels offended by a post from Iso and wants to sub out;
- Wraith is considered absolutely town because, you know, scum never subs out - (Manders pointed
out G_R subbing out for me in Fire & Ice as a scum tell, but Manders is a shitty player, huh?).

I'm really angry at how things went astray in this game and I'm not going to say it's anybody's fault but mine, yet labeling Wraith as town for no reason at all while investigating me is something that should make you all feel stupid.

[Wraith223]

@red, calm down. Being evaluated is part of the game and helps town. I checked C_P and cannot conclude he is scum. We have doubts and checking those out help town make well reasoned conclusions. Why are blowing this out of proportion? No one has even voted you yet. These style of posts in response attention to townness do not help your case.

[Wraith223]

Edit- Why are "you" blowing this out of proportion?

Also, C_P only really asked you to evaluate me, not go all OMGUS over it. I think he was just looking for a calm player to respond and you shed more unhappy light on yourself with that response.

[hamfactorial]

If you're tired of the game, it will be over soon anyway.

[Mcdonalds]

I'm hesitant to vote you because you haven't done anything the whole game except be caught unhelpful. It's a complete die roll, I can't tell if you're scum or just fucking around for yolos.

Define unhelpful, me asking questions or you fence sitting

Furthermore bussing is a thing, and it does work, scum would not spend 4 days trying to save me giving up one of their own in the process

[RedNihilist]

"This is not helping my case".
What case are we talking about?
I'm not being cased, I'm not casing anyone... care to explain?

Also, QUIT REREADING C_P AND EVALUATING HIS SCUMMINESS FFS.

[RedNihilist]

(that reply was intended for Wraith, ofc)

[hamfactorial]

I'm hesitant to vote you because you haven't done anything the whole game except be caught unhelpful. It's a complete die roll, I can't tell if you're scum or just fucking around for yolos.

Define unhelpful, me asking questions or you fence sitting

Furthermore bussing is a thing, and it does work, scum would not spend 4 days trying to save me giving up one of their own in the process

This is what I don't understand about your line of questioning: the answers point to you being scum. It plays against your win condition regardless of alignment, so I don't
understand why you'd do it.

You brought up a plausible scenario why a scum team would protect you, then ask why they'd bother at all. Huh?

If bussing is a thing, and it works, who is bussing you? Why would you suggest that you're scum being bussed?

[Mcdonalds]

No what I'm suggesting is that why would scum spend 4 days trying to save me, you either don't realize that or are avoiding that question, in those 4 days I've had a wagon and in those 4 days I could've been easily gotten rid of

Instead, I'm alive for some reason and we haven't the faintest clue who the third scum is

This is like getting into a counter war over a fucking hymn to tourach

[hamfactorial]

The three wagons on you were derailed by townies: Pie (D1 for raspy), Pie (D2 for rez) and me (D3 for Jack).

If scum wanted you dead, they must not have had the numbers (were already on your wagon).

They could have started a wagon on you early today and would have gotten support. It's only after I took a break and re-read that I started having doubts. Plus I'm clearly prone to WIFOM analysis spirals (Jack).

Simple question: do you want me to vote for you?

[Mcdonalds]

That doesn't answer why I haven't simply been bussed yet?

Your real hesitant to do anything so I want you to do something

[hamfactorial]

I did plenty on D2 and D3 and it blew up in my face. You can understand why I'd be hesitant to be wrong again, when it means losing the game outright.

[Stardust]

Votecount!

Wraith223 (1): Lord_Mcdonalds

Not voting: Cursed_Pride, hamfactorial, RedNihilist, Dechs Kaison, Wraith223

With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

[RedNihilist]

Placeholder: will post soon.

[RedNihilist]

I've took some time off to try to think about this game a little bit.

Let's play a game: "What would Scum Jesus do?"

The rules are simple: if I were scum, how would I behave in order to win this game?
In order to discover that, let's asses the situation here:
- C_P claimed unkillable, but I guess that it was some kind of joke, yet killing him would be of relative effect for scum as nobody will ever case him. I think I would have tried killing him on N1 but I can understand that they were trying something more impactful;
- I'm a bad player;
- DK is a noob;
- Wraith is Wraith;
- ham is another low-experienced player;
- LMD is a great mislynch target.

Now, if I were scum, I'd try to kill menacing players (i.e.: Iso) as soon as possible, while keeping newbs alive, hoping for a mislynch.
Now we're in MiLo, town is frustrated and lacks direction - that's time to make that mislynch happen.

Given
that I'm town and C_P is as well, there are 6 potential scum couples:
DK-ham
DK-LMD
DK-Wraith
ham-LMD
ham-Wraith
LMD-Wraith

DK is suddenly silent, where he tried to be constructive before. Is he afraid of doing something wrong and lose as town, or is he letting his scum-partner handle the endgame?
I hereby rule out DK-Wraith. That means that, in my view, at least one between LMD and ham is scum.
I also seriously think that they're not on the same team - I can't see why them should be arguing right now instead of just pushing BrokenDownNihilist, LurkDK or RandomWraith at this point of the game.

Long story short, my view on this is that the scumteam is [ham/LMD] + [DK/Wraith].

C_P: thoughts, please.

[Dechs Kaison]

I've only been silent because I'm in Japan for work. I mentioned this at the beginning of the day. I've tried my best to maintain activity here. Otherwise, you've got a sound theory.

[Mcdonalds]

Bring back tentacle porn

[RedNihilist]

I've only been silent because I'm in Japan for work. I mentioned this at the beginning of the day. I've tried my best to maintain activity here. Otherwise, you've got a sound theory.

Hi Dechs, this is Mafia, the game where people fakes being too busy in order to lurk peacefully.

[hamfactorial]

Red:

I understand ruling out LMD-me, but why do you rule out DK-Wraith as a team?

[RedNihilist]

I don't see Wraith's late post being "good enough" to be a reliable scum end-game strategy.
The same goes for DK's silence.
I expect scum to be willing to try to misdirect town at this point, honestly.

[Dechs Kaison]

I've only been silent because I'm in Japan for work. I mentioned this at the beginning of the day. I've tried my best to maintain activity here. Otherwise, you've got a sound theory.

Hi Dechs, this is Mafia, the game where people fakes being too busy in order to lurk peacefully.

That's a line I'm not willing to cross. I decided before I started playing that I was going to be willing to lie about my role and my alignment and my abilities and everything else within the game, but I'm not going to lie about why I'm inactive. Short of showing you my travel
itinerary or having a mod confirm my IP address is in Japan, there's not much I could do to prove it. I give you my word on this: My activity has been lessened because of outside the game influence only.

Look back through the day, you'll see my posts have been just as detailed and well thought out as in the past. There's fewer of them and they're at odd hours from the days prior.

[Dechs Kaison]

My first post this morning was from my phone at the station. And by this morning, I mean a couple hours ago.

I wanted to highlight some stuff you said, Red:

- C_P claimed unkillable, but I guess that it was some kind of joke, yet killing him would be of relative effect for scum as nobody will ever case him. I think I would have tried killing him on N1 but I can understand that they were trying something more impactful;
- I'm a bad player;
- DK is a noob;
- Wraith is Wraith;
- ham is another low-experienced player;
- LMD is a great mislynch target.

CP was definitely joking when he said unkillable. He had /s at the end of the line, for sarcasm. I can only reason that he hasn't been killed because there were more important targets to
the scum team. Looking back on it, I'm amazed at how convincing everyone found the imopen2 kill to point to Rez. If that was their intention with the kill, then these guys are smart as hell. I'd rather believe it was a happy accident for them.

I don't think of LMD as a mislynch target because, as I've laid out, there's a lot of evidence pointing at him. He's narrowly avoided a lynch twice now and dodged a mail bomb. He's never been very helpful to town. As sure as I am, I want to be careful here. It's why I'm not throwing a vote out at all. Scum team will jump on the first two wrong votes and close this game out.

Now, if I were scum, I'd try to kill menacing players (i.e.: Iso) as soon as possible, while keeping newbs alive, hoping for a mislynch.
Now we're in MiLo, town is frustrated and lacks direction - that's time to make that mislynch happen.

Totally agree with killing off menacing players. Iso has been playing for a long time, so the scum team was
smart to whack a guy that was likely to see through the game as it was.

I also agree with the time to make that mislynch happen. I'd be wary of anyone who came out of the gate with a vote and a strong push. Kind of like LMD did, probably hoping you'd jump right on it like you were pushing the previous day. I'm glad you didn't, because that could very well have been the end of the game (because at this point, I'm pretty sure LMD's half the scum team).

Given that I'm town and C_P is as well, there are 6 potential scum couples:
DK-ham
DK-LMD
DK-Wraith
ham-LMD
ham-Wraith
LMD-Wraith

I'll make the same list with your name in place of mine.
Red-ham
Red-LMD
Red-Wraith
ham-LMD
ham-Wraith
LMD-Wraith

Again, I'm pretty convinced that LMD is scum, so I want to concentrate on his pairings.

I think Red-LMD is a strong possibility. It would explain why you didn't jump on the early wagon LMD started on Wraith like you were eager to do Day 3. You couldn't
blow both scum votes early, it would reveal that the scum team was on the wagon because it couldn't get the two scum votes to close the day. It's also a strong strategy to trade who was pushing that wagon to start. It makes the wagon appear strong to come from two different people across several days. You might have easily had an early mislynch.

Ham-LMD works, too. I won't rule it out like you did because the arguing could be distancing to prevent someone from seeing the team. Wraith-LMD is just as easy.

Those are my thoughts.

[hamfactorial]

I've become increasingly paranoid and can't trust my reads anymore, so I'm going to sheep C_P and vote whatever he does. If we lose, I'm ok with it, I just hate feeling like I threw the game with the Jack mislynch. I don't want to do it again.

[RedNihilist]

I've only been silent because I'm in Japan for work. I mentioned this at the beginning of the day. I've tried my best to maintain activity here. Otherwise, you've got a sound theory.

Hi Dechs, this is Mafia, the game where people fakes being too busy in order to lurk peacefully.

That's a line I'm not willing to cross. I decided before I started playing that I was going to be willing to lie about
my role and my alignment and my abilities and everything else within the game, but I'm not going to lie about why I'm inactive. Short of showing you my travel itinerary or having a mod confirm my IP address is in Japan, there's not much I could do to prove it. I give you my word on this: My activity has been lessened because of outside the game influence only.

Look back through the day, you'll see my posts have been just as detailed and well thought out as in the past. There's fewer of them and they're at odd hours from the days prior.

Man, I didn't mean to insult you or anything, just know that claiming to be busy is pretty common and that's all.

[RedNihilist]

My first post this morning was from my phone at the station. And by this morning, I mean a couple hours ago.

You know, it's 8 AM here in Italy.
So what?

CP was definitely joking when he said unkillable. He had /s at the end of the line, for sarcasm. I can only reason that he hasn't been killed because there were more important targets to the scum team. Looking back on it, I'm amazed at how convincing everyone found the imopen2 kill to point to Rez. If that was their intention with the kill, then these guys are smart as hell. I'd rather believe it was a happy accident for
them.

Don't be offended, but I think that this game will be remembered for town's tardness rather than scum's stellar plays.

I don't think of LMD as a mislynch target because, as I've laid out, there's a lot of evidence pointing at him. He's narrowly avoided a lynch twice now and dodged a mail bomb. He's never been very helpful to town. As sure as I am, I want to be careful here. It's why I'm not throwing a vote out at all. Scum team will jump on the first two wrong votes and close this game out.

He's dodged a mail bomb only if ham really had one.
That's a non-argument nowadays.

Now, if I were scum, I'd try
to kill menacing players (i.e.: Iso) as soon as possible, while keeping newbs alive, hoping for a mislynch.
Now we're in MiLo, town is frustrated and lacks direction - that's time to make that mislynch happen.

Totally agree with killing off menacing players. Iso has been playing for a long time, so the scum team was smart to whack a guy that was likely to see through the game as it was.

I also agree with the time to make that mislynch happen. I'd be wary of anyone who came out of the gate with a vote and a strong push. Kind of like LMD did, probably hoping you'd jump right on it like you were pushing the previous day. I'm glad you didn't, because that could very well have been the end of the game (because at this point, I'm pretty sure LMD's half the scum team).

I'm trying very hard to avoid tunneling Wraith, that's why I get angry at the idea of re-reading 40+ pages of Wraith's madness to case him when it would be WAY more smart to have someone else do
the same without being so emotionally upset at him.
And yes, LMD's vote could have been a trap directed as me as well.

Given that I'm town and C_P is as well, there are 6 potential scum couples:
DK-ham
DK-LMD
DK-Wraith
ham-LMD
ham-Wraith
LMD-Wraith

I'll make the same list with your name in place of mine.
Red-ham
Red-LMD
Red-Wraith
ham-LMD
ham-Wraith
LMD-Wraith

Again, I'm pretty convinced that LMD is scum, so I want to concentrate on his pairings.

I think Red-LMD is a strong possibility. It would explain why you didn't jump on the early wagon LMD started on Wraith like you were eager to do Day 3. You couldn't blow both scum votes early, it would reveal that the scum team was on the wagon because it couldn't get the two scum votes to close the day. It's also a strong strategy to
trade who was pushing that wagon to start. It makes the wagon appear strong to come from two different people across several days. You might have easily had an early mislynch.

Ham-LMD works, too. I won't rule it out like you did because the arguing could be distancing to prevent someone from seeing the team. Wraith-LMD is just as easy.

Those are my thoughts.

I'll just say that a Red-LMD scumteam would make LMD's move on Wraith quite strange, imho.

[hamfactorial]

Vote LMD

I can't crack this game even after another re-read, so I'm rolling the dice. Iso is a good player, he said we should lynch LMD.

Yolo mode activated.

[RedNihilist]

C_P, come here so we can discuss things.

[Cursed_Pride]

I'll post more tomorrow. hamfactorial or Wraith please unvote. I would actually like to get a reread done before we hammer.

I will wrap this up before Friday, hopefully.

[Dechs Kaison]

Relax, CP. If scum was going to swoop in and hammer him fast, they'd have done it by now. We've had more than enough time and everyone's been online since then.

[Wraith223]

I'll post more tomorrow. hamfactorial or Wraith please unvote. I would actually like to get a reread done before we hammer.

I will wrap this up before Friday, hopefully.

FINALLY! Yesterday I could not log in at all. Was the website down?

UNVOTE

What does "yolo" mean? This is a critical time in the game for town to win and shenanigans or weird mode is not a good idea. Scum tell?

[Mcdonalds]

You only live once

Back, remarkably long weekend + could barely connect to the website yesterday

[RedNihilist]

Same login issues here.

[Wraith223]

Thanks LMD for the definition. Is this a scum tell or is Ham just stating he is taking a shot in the dark? I think it is just him committing to his read on LMD, but I could be wrong.

[Mcdonalds]

I've steadily been reading him more as scum since the start of the day (hesitant to push a wagon and has stated a few times he wants to vote me and doesn't)

[hamfactorial]

I'm voting you now, homie.

[Wraith223]

I've steadily been reading him more as scum since the start of the day (hesitant to push a wagon and has stated a few times he wants to vote me and doesn't)

I noticed that, but was not sure if it was caused by being inactive or planned silence. I am perplexed what to think about it. Was waiting to see who would vote 2nd chair and Ham did. Thoughts?

[Wraith223]

Or my original gut feeling is right about LMD being scum and am second guessing myself.

[hamfactorial]

I voted LMD because chasing my own tail by rereading the thread has gotten me nowhere. He's the lynch that involves the least WIFOM.