Gone Postal Mafia - Game Over - Scum Win

[Dechs Kaison]

Ham, the sexy as hell bit is something I later posted the entire mail message from. It hadn't been addressed to me, so I wasn't even sure I was the intended recipient, what with all the crazy mail shit happening. I was afraid to claim it until Red asked if I got his mail.

[Dechs Kaison]

Rather than find it in the thread, here's what was in my inbox, exactly:

Listen, if I die tonight reveal my impressions to the world:
- Wraith is scum and we've got to instakill him if he survives the night;
- MoJo, ham, LMD and Jack are worth investigation in this order.
- Stardust is sexy as hell.

RedNihilist

Notice how it doesn't say "Dechs," at the beginning? I didn't know if he meant it for me. I was legit terrified that if I said I got his mail I'd look like I stole it somehow.

[Dechs Kaison]

Oh, and I don't need to wait until night phase to identify who sent that GGtap letter. I sent a PM to the mod asking to confirm for me. I'll let you know as soon as I get that.

[hamfactorial]

Rather than find it in the thread, here's what was in my inbox, exactly:

Listen, if I die tonight reveal my impressions to the world:
- Wraith is scum and we've got to instakill him if he survives the night;
- MoJo, ham, LMD and Jack are worth investigation in this order.
- Stardust is sexy as hell.

RedNihilist

Notice how it doesn't say "Dechs," at the beginning? I didn't know if he meant it for me. I was legit terrified that if I said I got his mail I'd look like I stole it somehow.

Why would you be terrified? It read as a town letter, for release in case of death, critical of Wraith. Red voted Wraith immediately after the day started and hasn't moved his vote since. It aligned
perfectly with Red's behavior at that point.

At the point you confirmed Red's mail and a bounced message to me, we'd suspected that the mail was messed with for about 2 hours. Why hold onto that info for so long?

[Dechs Kaison]

I didn't want to look like I stole his letter if it wasn't for me. Then he said it was for me and I said, well, yeah, I did get it.

I actually got a little more worried after that because it was looking like I was the only guy mail was working for, and that certainly can't look good.

[hamfactorial]

What do you think of Pie's letters and the differing tone in each?

[Dechs Kaison]

I think he was trying to make sure it wasn't obvious that they were from the same person? I mean, why send an anonymous mail if anyone reading it can be sure who sent it because of the language?

I dunno. I haven't heard back from Stardust yet. I suppose it's possible that it wasn't actually Pie who sent it.

[Dechs Kaison]

Hey, there's no rule that you can't sign a different name to your mail. It's possible scum impersonated Pie with the one that is signed by Pie?

I'll use my power on that one as well.

[hamfactorial]

Hey, there's no rule that you can't sign a different name to your mail. It's possible scum impersonated Pie with the one that is signed by Pie?

I'll use my power on that one as well.

That's what I'm getting at.

[Iso]

@Wraith: Chill. I wasn't planning on taking it beyond that - the implication was merely that anyone who wanted to lynch me should probably not want to lynch me. That said, do you want me to actually respond to anything in your PBPA of me, or would you like me to just leave you to figure things out for yourself?

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Also, I dislike how LMD has not claimed at L-2 yet while simultaneously suggesting a massclaim - and I will not be claiming until he does. :armscross:

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Guys, focus, here. You're getting lost in the who-sent-what-mail WIFOM and can't see the forest for the trees - who sent what letters is actually not terribly important to catching scum, at least not at this point in the game. One thing I will claim is that I've sent no mail all game.

[RedNihilist]

I'll try to catch up with this mess, but this weekend is becoming quite stressful already.
May I ask if somebody's got some free time to actually summarize where last night's mail went?

My mail arrived to Dechs as expected, while I received a message from Jack that should have been sent to C_P.
Seriously, this could be relevant - MailClaim anyone?

[RedNihilist]

Iso, did you RECEIVE any mail last night?
There's something I want to figure out.

[Dechs Kaison]

Hey, there's no rule that you can't sign a different name to your mail. It's possible scum impersonated Pie with the one that is signed by Pie?

I'll use my power on that one as well.

That's what I'm getting at.

Both letters were from Pie, according to my power.

[hamfactorial]

Hey, there's no rule that you can't sign a different name to your mail. It's possible scum impersonated Pie with the one that is signed by Pie?

I'll use my power on that one as well.

That's what I'm getting at.

Both letters were from Pie, according to my power.

What was the second letter? Your ability only works on anonymous mail, like you said. The first letter was sent to Jack
with GGtap as the signature, the other was sent to Wraith with a full signature, and thus not anonymous.

[Cursed_Pride]

-I agree with this:

Guys, focus, here. You're getting lost in the who-sent-what-mail WIFOM and can't see the forest for the trees - who sent what letters is actually not terribly important to catching scum, at least not at this point in the game. One thing I will claim is that I've sent no mail all game.

When town focuses on mechanics rather than scumhunting, it becomes their downfall.

-I'll see if I can reread this thread in a couple of hours. I have some free time later in the day.

[Mcdonalds]

Also, I dislike how LMD has not claimed at L-2 yet while simultaneously suggesting a massclaim - and I will not be claiming until he does.

oh yeah...

..during the night I may send an extra message each night

[Wraith223]

@Wraith: Chill. I wasn't planning on taking it beyond that - the implication was merely that anyone who wanted to lynch me should probably not want to lynch me. That said, do you want me to actually respond to anything in your PBPA of me, or would you like me to just leave you to figure things out for yourself?

Olive branch accepted. Feel free to respond to anything I say as not doing so would be bad for town. I get the not wanting to be lynched idea, but the response was way out of line and I will leave at that. Dk calling me retarded was OK as I think he disagrees with my play style of brining all information forward and I did get his point. I like the Gibbs
style of play. Bring all information forward as someone on the team will see something you did not. I completely missed the opportunity to question jack and should have, but i was focused on the matter of who this letter was meant for. So far my read on you is pure speculation as MoJo did not contribute much at all. He claimed an ability of Return to sender, but not if it worked.
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Also, I dislike how LMD has not claimed at L-2 yet while simultaneously suggesting a massclaim - and I will not be claiming until he does. :armscross:

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Guys, focus, here. You're getting lost in the who-sent-what-mail WIFOM and can't see the forest for the trees - who sent what letters is actually not terribly important to catching scum, at least not at this point in the game. One thing I will claim is that I've sent no mail all game.

I agree with the mail focus. If the mail was messed with and folks are faking mail; what use is it if it is all in question. We need to see the
complete mail message. No one has claimed to receive my mail, thus I am curious if was lost or someone is not claiming it for some reason. You are moving to my null pile for now as scum would want town to get bogged down in the mail.

[Wraith223]

I'll try to catch up with this mess, but this weekend is becoming quite stressful already.
May I ask if somebody's got some free time to actually summarize where last night's mail went?

My mail arrived to Dechs as expected, while I received a message from Jack that should have been sent to C_P.
Seriously, this could be relevant - MailClaim anyone?

I got mail from inflatable pie, and sent mail to C_P. Apparently C_P did not get it. No one has claimed to receive my mail.

[Iso]

I've not received any mail.

Alright, so, unsurprisingly, kpaca didn't truthfully claim his ability.

My mail goes through uninhibited, and I can target a player at Night to make sure theirs goes uninhibited, as well.

[Wraith223]

I've not received any mail.

Alright, so, unsurprisingly, kpaca didn't truthfully claim his ability.

My mail goes through uninhibited, and I can target a player at Night to make sure theirs goes uninhibited, as well.

Hand Delivered. Nice. Now that is a town ability.

Who is kpaca? Is it an acronym? Is it MoJo?

Not surprising you did not receive mail as MoJo was not screaming town to anyone after he failed the Ham Challenge. (yeah I had to say it )

[Mcdonalds]

Kpaca= mojo

[Wraith223]

Kpaca= mojo

Ok

Must be his MTGS ID.

[RedNihilist]

I've not received any mail.

Alright, so, unsurprisingly, kpaca didn't truthfully claim his ability.

My mail goes through uninhibited, and I can target a player at Night to make sure theirs goes uninhibited, as well.

This is stupid.
Do you know if he has ever used his ability?

[Wraith223]

I've not received any mail.

Alright, so, unsurprisingly, kpaca didn't truthfully claim his ability.

My mail goes through uninhibited, and I can target a player at Night to make sure theirs goes uninhibited, as well.

This is stupid.
Do you know if he has ever used his ability?

Why is it stupid?

[Mcdonalds]

ISO is town...I think

[Wraith223]

ISO is town...I think

Very in-depth read sir.

He is moving more towards town to me as well with the town sounding claim and whip for town to look at reads more than mail.

[Wraith223]

My time at the library is at an end for today. Won't be back in till monday. No voting LMD sounds wise currently as he is at L-2. Don't want scum to hammer and possibly put us down 2 more town if he roles town. He is in my scum list currently, but my evidence for a strong scum indication is rather weak. I would only get information out his lynch for Red and Iso reads.

[Iso]

No, he never used his ability.

And yeah, Mogadishu Jones is kpaca (see: my sig). His MTGS name is Condoms.

[hamfactorial]

I'll try to catch up with this mess, but this weekend is becoming quite stressful already.
May I ask if somebody's got some free time to actually summarize where last night's mail went?

My mail arrived to Dechs as expected, while I received a message from Jack that should have been sent to C_P.
Seriously, this could be relevant - MailClaim anyone?

Did you already quote the message? I don't remember you mentioning getting a message intended for C_P.

[RedNihilist]

I received no mail from anybody.

-I think we're getting too bogged down in mechanics discussion. I'm going to try and reread the game soon, and that and massclaim should solve this game.

RedNihilist: Did you receive mail?

Dinner time here, I'm catching up.
So, some quick revelations in order to catch up what happened last night:
- I received Jack's message - it's exactly the same he has copied here;
- I sent a signed mail to Dechs, and I'd like to know who got that;
- The mail YOU (C_P) sent has arrived in Pie's mailbox.

I watched Pie, of course.

[Kazekirimaru]

Hi. Backup Mod checking in. Stardust is off doing whatever engineers do for a while so send all game-related stuff to me where relevant.

Votecount!

Wraith223(1) - Red Nihilist
Lord_McDonalds(3) - Dechs Kaison, Jack, Iso
RedNihilist(0)
Dechs Kaison(0)
Jack(0)
Iso(0)
Cursed Pride(0)
Hamfactorial(0)

Not Voting - Cursed Pride, Hamfactorial, Wraith223, Lord_Mcdonalds

With 8 Alive it is 5 to Lynch.

[Cursed_Pride]

-Have a bit of time before bed, going to do a partial reread.

Sorry if I'm holding up the day.

[Cursed_Pride]

-OK, I've completed a preliminary reread (from pages 1-10) and reread through most of Day 3.

Can someone give me a list of Jack's completed games? -He's been very scummy but doctor claim.

My conclusions are:

-Unless RedNihilist has a guilty check on Wraith, I have become comfortable with my Wraith town read that I hastily discarded during Day 2. If he's scum this game he's played extremely well, and I see the request to replace out and self vote as being very genuine.
-Normally I would be wary of unverified vig claims but hamfactorial's reveal is very townie, and his Day 1 behavior reaffirms my townie-read on him.
-I'm willing to accept Dechs Kaison as highly enthusiastic town. -I haven't really seem anything scummy from him besides his bandwagonny votes.
-RedNihilist is still highly likely town due to his conviction regarding Wraith, and his associative tells regarding rcwraspy.

I've noted the above
regarding Jack.

Iso, I have a question regarding your role. Early D1, Captain Murphy breadcrumbed it by saying:

I don't want to and I won't pie, feel free to vote me if you want but the stew is brewing and I'm not going to be lynched for a long time with this role. I get that you are confirmed town but I already said I don't know and you can't muscle it out of me

How is a mail uninhibitor any way a good claim?

Lord_McDonalds, have you proved this role by sending two messages? -Can you claim all of your mail targets, please?

I'm starting to like the prospects on Lord_McDonalds and Iso being the last two scum, though. -Lots of bad signs coming to light.

[Cursed_Pride]

-I think we massclaim before lynching Lord_McDonalds, though.

I want everyone to fullclaim, actually.

Give me a moment to check the claiming protocols with Kazekirimaru - I don't see it on the first post.

Please don't lynch Lord_McD before we all have completely massclaimed.

[Iso]

Don't know what Murph was thinking the role was good for, really. You'd have to ask him.

[RedNihilist]

I do want to fill this correctly:

RedNihilist: sent to Dechs Kaison, delivered correctly
Cursed Pride: sent to (?), delivered to InflatablePie
Wraith223 -> sent to C_P, not delivered to him
Hamfactorial -> supposing his power works via mail, sent to LMD but not delivered at all.
InflatablePie -> delivered to Wraith, probably sent to someone else
Lord_McDonalds -> ?
Dechs Kaison -> ?
Jack -> ?
IsoMoJoCM -> ?

Power play of the night:
ham sends bomb to LMD
Jack protects ham
LMD doesn't blow up

Please help me out.

[Dechs Kaison]

I sent to Ham. It ended up in my inbox.

[Iso]

[quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=234999#p234999:2lxmyh7p]RedNihilist » Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:39 am[/url:2lxmyh7p]":2lxmyh7p]I do want to fill this correctly:

RedNihilist: sent to Dechs Kaison, delivered correctly
Cursed Pride: sent to (?), delivered to InflatablePie
Wraith223 -> sent to C_P, not delivered to him
Hamfactorial -> supposing his power works via mail, sent to LMD but not delivered at all.
InflatablePie -> delivered to Wraith, [url=viewtopic.php?p=233460#p233460:2lxmyh7p]probably sent to someone else[/url:2lxmyh7p]
Lord_McDonalds -> ?
Dechs Kaison -> ?
Jack -> ?
IsoMoJoCM -> ?

Power play of the night:
ham sends bomb to LMD
Jack protects ham
LMD doesn't blow up

Please help me out.[/quote:2lxmyh7p]

are you really going to make me repeat myself

[RedNihilist]

I am.
If I can play mafia from my office, you can repeat yourself as many time as I want <3

[RedNihilist]

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