Gone Postal Mafia - Game Over - Scum Win

[RedNihilist]

No, we're just lynching Wraith.

[hamfactorial]

Why so sure about Wraith over LMD? Explain it to me like I'm 10.

[RedNihilist]

Why so sure about Wraith over LMD? Explain it to me like I'm 10.

I'll try to make this short because it's 1 AM here.

LMD is being LMD.
He's not relevant for the moment, he didn't do any major slip for now AND he was the counterwagon to scum on Day 1 - that doesn't clear him, but can be taken as a hint.

On the other hand, Wraith has done all he could to stop raspy's wagon on Day 1 and quick-hammered Pie on Day 2 even when C_P (confirmed town) asked people to slow the fuck down (I'm considering you 0x10, so you FUCK is legit, k?), plus a number of other over the top things that you guys are letting slip because he's just "Wraith being Wraith" like forging evidence - he blatantly lied on how I behaved when I was scum.

nIf he really turns out to be town (~0.01% at this point, I'd say), we're STILL increasing our odds of winning by removing him from this game.

[RedNihilist]

Also: hi, spirit-of-rezombad-who-watches-over-us-from-afterlife.

[hamfactorial]

Ok, fair points. I'm at the gym, will vote Wraith after I'm done (1 hour) unless any new bombs get dropped.

[Jack]

It's in our interest to be careful here, we're under zero time pressure.

[Jack]

Let's hear from the MoJo slot first.

[hamfactorial]

OK, no hurry then.

[Mcdonalds]

So were going to drop the whole blocked big shot thing?

[hamfactorial]

Nope, I'm just going to chill out for a bit, maybe MoJo will be replaced soon and we can get fresh input. Do you have something to add to the discussion of the blocked vig?

[Mcdonalds]

Nothing that doesn't result in WIFOM and my brain melting

[Jack]

Drop it on us anyway.

[Jack]

Did you receive Ham's mail?

[Jack]

Anyway, Pie, if you're reading this, sorry we botched the game you thought you had solved.

[Jack]

But we have to solve this before the start of day 4.

[Jack]

Town must know exactly who to lynch. No uncertain voting.

[RedNihilist]

I believe that puts my vote at hammer if I do vote? I am unsure Rez is scum as he has posted material I found to be town mindset? Although, that was only for the Red claim which was rather obviously visible in the Mod example.

Insincere? Uh, no. I really find Rez to be scum this game. Thought he was earlier with the stupid attack on ham.

Why aren't we still not lynching this scum?

Somebody give me a reason, and let's go from there.

[Dechs Kaison]

Because C_P asked for more time, and ignoring that request is exactly what has Wraith staring at the gallows.

[RedNihilist]

Fine, so I'll be specific.

-Please stop moving your votes around.

I'd hate for another quickhammer to happen when the day's only just begun.

Hi C_P, what are we waiting for?
Let's work together so we can achieve whatever you need to before we lynch Wraith.

[Dechs Kaison]

-I think we're getting too bogged down in mechanics discussion. I'm going to try and reread the game soon, and that and massclaim should solve this game.

This is what he needs, which is at least going to require the time it takes him to read everything and the replacement of MoJo to be part of the massclaim.

I can at least give you my part of the massclaim. I'm a mostly vanilla townie with the ability to know who sent any anonymous mail as long as I have the full text of that mail. It's flavored as a writing style specialist.

[Wraith223]

Damn. Everyone is really believing red?

Here are some thoughts.
1. Red has voted anyone who is on the lynch wagon.
2. Red is really concerned in knowing who each player is ability wise.
3. Red only posts significantly when pressured or is pushing a wagon.
4. Red only became significant to town when pie asked him to join in his votes.
5. Red is pushing my wagon hard due to my hammering pie. Pie did make a big deal out of it except Jack, red, and ham.
6. Red is lying big time on my claim that he did played scum before.

[Jack]

Can you rewrite the last 2 points so that they're easier to comprehend?

[Wraith223]

The harder a LMD wagon is pushed or entertained; the harder red pressures everyone to vote me.

Guys, I am town and trusted pies call. I think it's great C_P wants to check everyone's claims before votes, but at the time My gut said Rez was scum as pies evidence was really good. Red view that my play style and logic are dangerous to town is just BS from the Theros game. He has called my crazy whenever I disagree with him or question certain players. Folks who resort to name calling scream scum or are just being bad players that are tunneling.

If you think I am bad for town; then I welcome you to vote me. My goals for town are to bring all relevant information forward as soon as possible, not with hold any information as others seem to do, and post all reasons for voting. Multiple players are doing the opposite of my goals as town and it bothers me that so many disagree or target for those ideals. If town disagrees
with my strategy; they ain't town or some of you are really poor with logic.

If I die from stupid town; it must be from the pants I never got approval for. See sign ups page.

vote wraith223

Maybe you all can learn something from the jerk that pushed my wagon and hammers me.

[Mcdonalds]

Wraith, for future reference, self voting is almost always a scum play

[Wraith223]

Can you rewrite the last 2 points so that they're easier to comprehend?

Thanks, my iPad is correcting were it should not.

Red is pushing my wagon whenever I target LMD or shy player he seems friendly with. Pie never made a big deal out me hammering Rez as red, Jack, and ham did. Red I expected to and Jack just wanted more time. Ham surprised me as he thought I was similar to mojo or DK. I knew I was hammering as Rez was not responding well or was similar to rcw to me. I think is town tunneling poorly. Ham is definite town to me as I still think the mail was messed with globally. Jack is null as I don't have enough intel to say otherwise. Also, no one counter claimed a doc role. Whenever I go after LMD, red pressures town harder for a lynch of
me. They also don't talk to each other much.

I asked red if he played scum and he said no. He did in fire and ice game.

[Jack]

Unvote yourself, Wraith. We don't want to open up the possibility of a hammer, and don't need your vote to lynch you.

[Wraith223]

Wraith, for future reference, self voting is almost always a scum play

This is a mirror game for me as in Theros mafia. I am the town role blocker again. I think the enemy is pushing my vote, again.

Not sure of what else to do.

Got any explanations for you weren't bombed last night?

[hamfactorial]

Wraith:

Posting good questions about other players, then self-voting is counter-productive. I've offered to self-vote in the past, so I understand the frustration of being tunneled and piled on. If you're town, making people lynch you the honest way is better for your team, please unvote and continue to hunt with us.

[Wraith223]

Why so sure about Wraith over LMD? Explain it to me like I'm 10.

I'll try to make this short because it's 1 AM here.

LMD is being LMD.
He's not relevant for the moment, he didn't do any major slip for now AND he was the counterwagon to scum on Day 1 - that doesn't clear him, but can be taken as a hint.

not relevant? He dodged a letter bomb. I suspect almost all the roles in the game have cool abilities. LMD claimed being able to send 2 letters. Anyone receive mail from him? He had done nothing but lurked and commented. He never voted rcw when
he should have. Your opinion of LMD is very neutral but protective.

On the other hand, Wraith has done all he could to stop raspy's wagon on Day 1 and quick-hammered Pie on Day 2 even when C_P (confirmed town) asked people to slow the fuck down (I'm considering you 0x10, so you FUCK is legit, k?), plus a number of other over the top things that you guys are letting slip because he's just "Wraith being Wraith" like forging evidence - he blatantly lied on how I behaved when I was scum.

rcw scum hunted and was very active till pie questioned him. He was in my town pile. I just wanted him to answer the questions. He never did. When he flipped scum, I suspect other scum just went into full lurk mode to hide. Also, buttering up to ham is scum as shit as you did with pie. Now he is dead. Wth? What things did I slip on? I hammered Rez cause I gave the reason for my vote and mojo did not,pie certainly did not raise he'll over it. You did. You acted town and
weakly scum hunted similarly in this game to fire and ice. What did I lie about? Your explanation of my actions are strongly over shadowed by yours.

If he really turns out to be town (~0.01% at this point, I'd say), we're STILL increasing our odds of winning by removing him from this game.

Eliminating a player cause you don't agree with their strategy is Theros scum play of the week.

@ham, fine.

unvote

Voting players cause you don't agree with play style is just a dick move to me.

[Wraith223]

Will be back tomorrow. Air cards are empty again and have to use the library or Starbucks for now. Will have internet on the 8th.

[Dechs Kaison]

Hey guys, this might be the newbie talking, but I think we're going about this the wrong way. We're trying to identify a single scum player to lynch. Wouldn't it be better to figure out who the scum team is?

Let's start digging through votes, cases and defenses and look for the two guys who are working in concert. For example, let's start with the assumption that Wraith is scum. Then analyze his stuff, look for who his scum buddy is. Who do his votes line up with most? Who does he seem to protect?

Without doing all the work on it yet and for simplicity's sake, let's say that points to me as his most likely scum buddy. Does Wraith/Dechs team make sense? If you can't believe that I'm scum and I'm Wraith's most likely buddy, then it's likely that Wraith isn't scum. In that case, we look at someone else as the primary scum and start over. If it does make sense, we lynch Wraith today and me tomorrow.

[Dechs Kaison]

I guess what I'm saying is, look for two people who are working together. We had a lucky day 1 scum lynch. It should be easy over the next couple days to see who has stuck with who.

[RedNihilist]

Damn. Everyone is really believing red?

Here are some thoughts.
1. Red has voted anyone who is on the lynch wagon.
2. Red is really concerned in knowing who each player is ability wise.
3. Red only posts significantly when pressured or is pushing a wagon.
4. Red only became significant to town when pie asked him to join in his votes.
5. Red is pushing my wagon hard due to my hammering pie. Pie did make a big deal out of it except Jack, red, and ham.
6. Red is lying big time on my claim that he did played scum before.

Bold = [citation needed].

Hurry up, this is getting fun.

[RedNihilist]

Eliminating a player cause you don't agree with their strategy is Theros scum play of the week.

Eliminating a player who has consistency issues and / or lies on a regular basis is actually a correct move in my eyes.
And stop appealing to the meta.

[Stardust]

Iso replaces Mogadishu Jones. Thanks, and welcome to the game!

[Stardust]

Official Votecount!

Wraith223 (2): RedNihilist, Lord_Mcdonalds
Lord_Mcdonalds(2): Dechs Kaison, Jack

Not voting: Cursed_Pride, Iso, hamfactorial, Wraith223

With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

[hamfactorial]

Welcome aboard, Iso, thanks for subbing in.

[Dechs Kaison]

Yeah, thanks for coming into the game. Lots to read. Good luck.

[Mcdonalds]

So iso isn't dead...lost $20 on that bet

[hamfactorial]

He's bulletproof too?