Gone Postal Mafia - Game Over - Scum Win

[Wraith223]

I believe Ham. Backs up the claim that scum messed with the mail in my opinion. Doctor or scum doctor does not make sense to me with the weird mail.

I don't know what to think about Jack with that odd slip.

MoJo seems like a great target but he is not talking. Why do people join games and quit with little or no reason? Regardless, not making that mistake again in lynching someone before they talk even though I thought he was scum.

Red and Jack are making my gut rumble. Jack could be town in my theory of a messed up mail as he would have protected him if came back to him. Red has only played "will tell you all later game".

DK caught Jack in slip, but I am unsure of him still.

LMD has been very quiet and votes me immediately.

New list

Town
Cursed_Pride
Ham
ME


Null
Jack (town feelings from my theory, but recent slip is placing him in null.)
DK (newby, Caught Jack slip,
and more active than Suga. I just don't know with him)
Red- share your knowledge please and don't hold back.


Scum
LMD

I will hold my vote as C_P is trying to be methodical.

[Stardust]

@Mod - Can we just put the game on hold until we get the replacement?

No.



Official Votecount!

Wraith223 (2): RedNihilist, Lord_Mcdonalds
Lord_Mcdonalds(2): Dechs Kaison, Jack

Not voting: Cursed_Pride, Mogadishu Jones, hamfactorial, Wraith223

With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

[Wraith223]

-Please stop moving your votes around.

I'd hate for another quickhammer to happen when the day's only just begun.

I never moved a vote around, I just started the wagon on LMD. You can relax, he only has 2 votes.

Seriously, another quickhammer is probably the best thing for us. Talk about an obvious scum tell at this point.

Uhhhh, No. We may go down 2 town then. Not good. I know this is your first game, think hard about your votes late game.

We need to have C_P review our plays as he is confirmed town. I am not sucking up to him, but acknowledging
my error and his right call day 2.

[RedNihilist]

I received no mail from anybody.

-I think we're getting too bogged down in mechanics discussion. I'm going to try and reread the game soon, and that and massclaim should solve this game.

RedNihilist: Did you receive mail?

Dinner time here, I'm catching up.
So, some quick revelations in order to catch up what happened last night:
- I received Jack's message - it's exactly the same he has copied here;
- I sent a signed mail to Dechs, and I'd like to know who got that;
- The mail YOU (C_P) sent has arrived in Pie's mailbox.

I watched Pie, of course.

[hamfactorial]

-Please stop moving your votes around.

I'd hate for another quickhammer to happen when the day's only just begun.

I never moved a vote around, I just started the wagon on LMD. You can relax, he only has 2 votes.

Seriously, another quickhammer is probably the best thing for us. Talk about an obvious scum tell at this point.

I agree that a quickhammer would be a scumtell, but with 6 town alive, a mislynch puts us at 4:2 on day 4 which creates a mylo situation (mislynch and lose).

It's in our interest to be careful here, we're under zero time pressure.

[Dechs Kaison]

Stardust is dead sexy.

[Dechs Kaison]

Sorry, was trying to do that from memory.

Stardust is sexy as hell.

That was from Red.

[RedNihilist]

So, let me get this right: MY mail went through as expected?

[hamfactorial]

If that's true, a global mail effect wasn't used and individual users were targeted for tampering.

[Dechs Kaison]

Indeed it did. I gave you the irrelevant part that seems to be inserted for verification reasons. Would you like me to quote the whole thing?

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I think it's time I said something I've been holding on to.

I sent signed mail to Ham to verify Jack's claim. It got bounced back to me.

[hamfactorial]

Excellent, good thinking Dechs.

[Dechs Kaison]

That also means my mail wasn't tampered with.

[RedNihilist]

Indeed it did. I gave you the irrelevant part that seems to be inserted for verification reasons. Would you like me to quote the whole thing?

Yup.
I need to do some thinking here.

You all feel free to hang Wraith while I do.

[Dechs Kaison]

Hey Ham, I can't remember/find the claim, did you say your ability was one shot?

[hamfactorial]

Yeah, 1-shot.

[Dechs Kaison]

Red's mail to me:

Listen, if I die tonight reveal my impressions to the world:
- Wraith is scum and we've got to instakill him if he survives the night;
- MoJo, ham, LMD and Jack are worth investigation in this order.
- Stardust is sexy as hell.

RedNihilist

[Mcdonalds]

Well now my case is that you spelled my name wrong.

I do have a case on you, and it was never just "Rez thought he was scum." Give me a minute and I'll dig it up and repeat it.

Rez said the same thing..that never happened

Hint: I was never hung day 1, a wagon never started day 2

[Mcdonalds]

LMD:

I wanted you to feel free to contribute without feeling in danger.

heres one, future reference, you do this when you can't possibly get lynched the next day

[Dechs Kaison]

My case for you wasn't as strong as I remembered it, but here's the summary:

-Rez was my strongest town read (turned out to be correct)
-Rez made a case against you that I agreed with at the time. Keep in mind, it was the first day of my first game. I was highly impressionable.
-You upped your activity as soon as you started getting some votes, trying to deflect the wagon. I mean, it's possible that's just when you got more time to post, but I don't believe in coincidences.
-With no wagon on you day 2, you went right back to lurking.
-Now the bomb on you fails.

That is my case. I'm confident in my vote.

[hamfactorial]

LMD:

I wanted you to feel free to contribute without feeling in danger.

heres one, future reference, you do this when you can't possibly get lynched the next day

So instead of contributing to a very eventful day, you've chosen to make a naked Wraith vote, then kick back and watch the fireworks?

[Dechs Kaison]

Also, the attitude isn't helping your case.

[Mcdonalds]

LMD:

I wanted you to feel free to contribute without feeling in danger.

heres one, future reference, you do this when you can't possibly get lynched the next day

So instead of contributing to a very eventful day, you've chosen to make a naked Wraith vote, then kick back and watch the fireworks?

Again, the problem with your (the scum teams plan) is that I will flip town, town
lynches you and then we figure out who your scumbuddy is.

[Mcdonalds]

Also define naked, Wraith was the best lynch after day 2, or are we going to ignore that?

[Mcdonalds]

This is kinda funny, I don't have to do anything as Ham gets lynched day 4 so long as the town isn't buttfaced retarded

[hamfactorial]

If I'm scum and you're town, why aren't you helping your team? I can only have 1 buddy left, and you've contributed nothing since the day started, leaving your teammates (5 if you're town) to figure this out without you.

[Mcdonalds]

My case for you wasn't as strong as I remembered it, but here's the summary:

-Rez was my strongest town read (turned out to be correct)
-Rez made a case against you that I agreed with at the time. Keep in mind, it was the first day of my first game. I was highly impressionable.
-You upped your activity as soon as you started getting some votes, trying to deflect the wagon. I mean, it's possible that's just when you got more time to post, but I don't believe in coincidences.
-With no wagon on you day 2, you went right back to lurking.
-Now the bomb on you fails.

That is my case. I'm confident in my vote.

- thats not a case
- unless I missed it, he never did actualy make a case (said he would, never did)
- I was the counterwagon
to the day 1 scum vote, think about it, if I was scum, I naturally would not have defended myself and let myself get lynched instead of trying to continue discussion and possibly endanger my scum-mates.
- I always lurk
- Ham is lying

[Mcdonalds]

If I'm scum and you're town, why aren't you helping your team? I can only have 1 buddy left, and you've contributed nothing since the day started, leaving your teammates (5 if you're town) to figure this out without you.

Your not denying your scum

[hamfactorial]

Who's scum, LMD? Besides me, naturally.

[Mcdonalds]

Why would I tell you that before I'm lynched?

[Mcdonalds]

My case for you wasn't as strong as I remembered it, but here's the summary:

-Rez was my strongest town read (turned out to be correct)
-Rez made a case against you that I agreed with at the time. Keep in mind, it was the first day of my first game. I was highly impressionable.
-You upped your activity as soon as you started getting some votes, trying to deflect the wagon. I mean, it's possible that's just when you got more time to post, but I don't believe in coincidences.
-With no wagon on you day 2, you went right back to lurking.
-Now the bomb on you fails.

That is my case. I'm
confident in my vote.

- thats not a case
- unless I missed it, he never did actualy make a case (said he would, never did)
- I was the counterwagon to the day 1 scum vote, think about it, if I was scum, I naturally would not have defended myself and let myself get lynched instead of trying to continue discussion and possibly endanger my scum-mates.
- I always lurk
- Ham is lying

-point, not case (tired as shit for some reason)

[Dechs Kaison]

You would certainly defend yourself if you were bulletproof.

[Mcdonalds]

How do you know there is a bulletproof?

[Mcdonalds]

For all we know, we could have a town doctor that is trolling us

[Mcdonalds]

Also WIFOM

[hamfactorial]

Why would I tell you that before I'm lynched?

To help your town buddies, of course.

Going with your implications, if I'm scum, I already know who my scum buddy is and whether you're town, so why hold out on the 5 teammates who aren't as smart as you? Clearly you've seen something profound to value your life more than a town victory.

[Wraith223]

So my mail was messed with? Why? To what end? I don't get it.

LMD claimed the ability to double mail folks. Basically vanilla town with extra mail. He has not scum hunted and his questions are more inflammatory than probative. He seems to want to fast lynch as Red does as well. Possible scum teams of LMD with either Red or MoJo make sense to me. As two are working together without talking to each other in posts at all and another team that is being driven by basically one guy.

Lmd sitting back and watching town tunnel each other makes sense if he is playing alone.

Come on C_P, we need an opinion here.

[Wraith223]

Will be back tomorrow unless I get near a Starbucks this evening. I want to vote LMD, but C_P requested a sequester of votes for now.

[Jack]

Yeah, it's a very real possibility that Ham actually doesn't have any vig shots and we're just being played, but until we have proof of that, a LMD lynch seems best.

[RedNihilist]

I'll discuss ham again after the-guy-who-slowrolls-Day1-because-he-wants-to-lynch-LMD-instead-of-raspy-but-quicklynches-on-Day2 (also known as Wraith) hangs from the tallest shelf of the office.

[hamfactorial]

Would lynching me make it easier to sort out this mess? I'm effectively vanilla at this point, can't kill anyone else and a confirmed vig role PM from Stardust would make LMD look retarded (which I would enjoy very much).

I doubt that Wraith and LMD are both mafia, as LMD bussing Wraith puts him into a really crappy spot as the only scum alive.