[Primer] Boros Burn

[Aodh]

Have you fixed any other board slots? Are you 3/3/3 split main?

[zemanjaski]

I literally just posted my deck list.

[Jediace42]

[deck]4 shock
3 Chained to the rocks
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Magma Jet
2 Searing Blood
4 Lightning Strike
4 Skullcrack
4 Boros Charm
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Warleaders Helix
23 Land still up for debate

Sideboard
2-3 Assemble the Legion
3 Missium Mortars
3 Peak Eruption
3 Toil/Trouble
1 Chained to the Rocks
2 Wear/Tear[/deck]

4th Mutavault will be in board if I need it to be, otherwise I need to fill one last slot

This is what Ive got at the moment, but things are changing so Its not likely the list Ill be playing this weekend...

[NerdBoyWonder]

Who here is attending GP Phoenix? LP, me too. I'm probably locked in on 1 Burning Earth, 2 Assemble, 1 Mutavault in my sideboard. The rest is flex ATM while I try to scope the meta out.

I am attending GP Phoenix, so is JediAce and I believe LP is making it also.

[Valdarith]

MJ "Burn is an insanely good matchup [for MBC]. You have thoughtseizes and duresses and Gray Merchants and they can't beat any of those cards"

Goes 0-2 drop in DE against Burn.

MJ "I have determined that no one likes playing Burn. The people that play Burn don't have a choice"

Chat comment "Except for that guy from CFB"

MJ being MJ.

[LP, of the Fires]

I literally just posted my deck list.

Hey Z, what's your board look like mate?

[LP, of the Fires]

Serious question: I know everything's in beta mod currently, but how has peak eruption been? IDK how you're boarding for the mirror with this list, but I'm guessing something like -ALL creatures, + eruption/chain/chandra, maybe some combo of wear/tear mortars/toil/trouble? Boarding out YP and chandra could be insane but blanking all of their removal just seems powerful. Every searing blood/chain they draw is just dead.

[zemanjaski]

Nah back on creature plan.

Peak Eruption has been surprisingly good; its not dead late and slamming it turn 3 is brutal; it puts you a little ahead and sometimes they miss the next drop and the game is effectively over.

[magicdownunder]

Serious question: I know everything's in beta mod currently, but how has peak eruption been? IDK how you're boarding for the mirror with this list, but I'm guessing something like -ALL creatures, + eruption/chain/chandra, maybe some combo of wear/tear mortars/toil/trouble? Boarding out YP and chandra could be insane but blanking all of their removal just seems powerful. Every searing blood/chain they draw is just dead.

The problem with that plan is that if your opp. know what your doing he/she could just board all removals and run a much leaner build then yours while you go on defense mode, with all your 3cc and 4cc spells T_T

the plan would def. be more effective if it was kept in the dark until it was released on a GP or something.

[MisterMet]

LP: I just got beaten by Purp in 3 games mainly due to Peak Eruption. Game 2 it set me back a turn and game 3 I had to use a Boros Charm to save my mountain.

On the other hand I did win round 1 thanks to Blind Obedience in g3 after my opponent used two Peak Eruptions that game. But the early tempo loss could be more useful than the late life gain.

Also in our match both of us boarded out Phoenix but left in YP.

[zemanjaski]

Very interesting. You think YP$ is a better card in the mirror?

[Aodh]

I literally just posted my deck list.

I was asking Jedi.

[Aodh]

I think all 8 creatures are valuable enough to keep in. I'd -4 Boros Charm for whatever you want.

[MisterMet]

Phoenix's cost means I don't want to cast it until I have 5 mana just so I can have mana open for removal or Skullcrack. And I really don't want to see multiple copies of it in hand.

YP has been far more useful early and late game.

[zenbitz]

I have been running 3-4 temple of silence for about 30 pages in this thread. It does suck to draw that 2nd one before the 5th land.

[magicdownunder]

I didn't get to play against Brad Nelson because he lost G1 (vs someone else) then proceeded to rage drop the event (though its possible he timed-out and was booted)

[zemanjaski]

I fucking told you already, its Bad Nelson.

[zemanjaski]

At least get his name right.

[magicdownunder]

[Kyarie]

Trying to play more and get real testing in. Got in 10 games today.

Mostly mirror, Bant control or Esper control.

Won 2 of 3 in Mirror, won 2 of 2 for Bant and won 4 of 5 for Esper

Tested with 4 Mutavault and even with the limited number of games, I got stuck with 2 and 3 Mutavault very early 3 times. Would have preferred the temple.

Assemble over Mutavault in side. I just don't want to overload on Mutavault and when you want Assemble, you really want it.

Wear//Tear for instant speed is my untested preference...

I've been more comfortable with Toil//Trouble over Viashino Firstblade but I didn't see any blind obedience at all today...

[Nezeru]

I am undecided on 4th Mutavault - probably prefer 3. Temple of Silence gets the nod. I don't think I even want the 4th on the board though. Maybe we play 24 lands and Chandra main?

So far I prefer Glare of Heresy over both Revoke and Wear, but I prefer Wear over Revoke. I haven't ever lost a match to MBC where any of these cards would have helped. I wish we had a way to stop Bw Devotion from Revoking our shit though.

I don't like either Toil or Firstblade for my paper meta (TONS of Blind Obedience, literally everywhere, people splash for it) and currently am playing 0 copies of both spells in my 75.

[zemanjaski]

For your viewing pleasure:

http://www.twitch.tv/sybexmtg/c/3994349

[zemanjaski]

Of course I have Wear//Tear in my board then face Naya Midrange; I mean, I won anyway because that deck is awful, but woulda been sweet!

[Nezeru]

He must be good, he instantly panicked when you cast Assemble into his infinite lifegain

[Jediace42]

That reaction was brilliant. I really want to cause that to a few people I know haha!

[Aodh]

I think we need to focus our sideboard on the mirror and monsters. I don't see the point of 4+ SB cards for good match-ups. I do like free win buttons in our board, though.

[zemanjaski]

My siedboarding approach is the opposite - I want to beat what the good players are playing since that's who I see on the top tables. Marginally played decks I could care less about.

[Aodh]

Oh, okay. So you just hope your skill's enough to shore up the weaker match-ups in the lower bracket? Because the meta looks like 18 MBD, 14 Esper, 10 Burn, 10 Monsters or something silly. Is it fair to just leave the latter two at like 50-60%?

[Aodh]

22-12-11-9. :\

[zemanjaski]

My experience at the last few really competitive events has been that if I don't face GR Monsters in Round 1, I won't face it because it doesn't beat anything and its a terrible deck. And yeah, if your fringe matchups are better than 50% I think that is fine; player skill goes a LONG way.

Im not saying my approach is correct, just that it is the approach I prefer.

[magicdownunder]

Went 3-1 running:

[deck=MDU's Chandra's Zurm]lands 23
8 Mountain
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
2 Boros Guildgate
3 Mutavault
1 Temple of Silence
1 Temple of Abandon

Creatures 8
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Chandra's Phoenix

Other 4
2 Chained to the Rocks
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Burns 25
4 Magma Jet
3 Searing Blood
4 Warleader's Helix
4 Shock
2 Skullcrack
4 Boros Charm
4 Lightning Strike

Sideboard 15
2 Mizzium Mortars
3 Toil/Trouble
1 Glare of Heresy
1 Wear/Tear
2 Chained to the Rocks
2 Skullcrack
2 Blind Obedience
2 Assemble the Legion[/deck]

I beat two known grinders + 1 unknown then proceeded too loss the finals in the most tilting fashion ever (I even recorded it ) it was G4 - R3 my Opp. was playing Ux Devotion - I killed everything so he was on top-deck mode while I was on 20
with 2x Chains and WLH helix in Hand - he proceeds to just kill me with 2/3 just because I NEVER see my white source T_T.

That said the main turning point of that match was me NOT killing the spector on my turn while he only had 1 mana open (I had two LS in hand I was worried about that lizard spell so I decided to kill it on his turn, he proceeds too top deck 1x counter (he had another counter in hand) and use his specter to rip a R/W land).

Anyhow, since this happen more times then I like i'm going up the W color count into 12.

[zemanjaski]

Can you give some card performance reviews MDU?

[zemanjaski]

My match starts at 2h15m

http://www.twitch.tv/sybexmtg/b/515790319

[zemanjaski]

Check out how awkward his sideboarding is against my post board strategy.

[magicdownunder]

The only cards which differs from your list Z would be the Extra Chandra, Pyromaster (both MD), Blind Obedience, 4th Shock and Wear // Tear.

So here is my mini-review:

I never regretted drawing Chandra, Pyromaster (heck I even dropped her against Jund Monster) I value her in the MD because she provides the deck an alternative angle of attack esp. with our current set-up so going on the "defend the queen" plan with burns and YP$ until you ultimate is very viable.

I have the 4th Shock because i'm not running Ash Zealot, I didn't want to drop the Aggro MUs too much (+ I like Shock with YP and CP).

I didn't draw Blind Obedience, but I still believe it would be a beating against Monsters and Burn.

[card]Wear // Tear[/card] is better now that monster and junk are packing Bow or Whip in the SB, it never really feels dead since you can just hit [card]
Courser of Kruphix[/card].

[zemanjaski]

I want to try 4 Shock (-1 Searing Blood) and 1 Chandra (-1 WLH) main next time.

[DixieFlatline]

Got DEstroyed running this tonight 1-3

[deck]Three Gates 3 Muta Mana Base[/deck]

Game 1 - Rakdos Aggro 1-2
No play mistakes that stick out. Mogis is good, hard to chump block once he's activated when you keep having to sack your elemental. Hard to keep him from activating when Exava and 37 Rakdos Cacklers come out. "You shouldn't be getting to a point where he has enough mana to cast creatures to activate Mogis"
yeah I know but I can't burn his face when I have to burn cacklers and spike jesters. It was like I was one man fighting an army of juggalos. WTF kind of name is "Spike Jester"? Go back to the plane where they have a Dark Carnival.

Game 2 - Esper 1-2
Toil and Trouble really shined hear, each loss I got my opponent down to lethal range and had to play the "is it a negate or not" game. Game three I ran into nine counter spells. Nine. 342 points of burn were countered...about 342.

Game 3 - B/W 1-2
Main deck whip on curve...scooooooop

Game 4 - Bullshit Hidden Strings deck. I won. Then my ecig battery died.

Now I'm eating Ramen and only had enough liquor left to eek out an infinitesimal buzz.

Zem was absolutely right about the 3 gate vs 2 Temple of Malice. The mana base is a lot more comfortable.

[DixieFlatline]

My match starts at 2h15m

http://www.twitch.tv/sybexmtg/b/515790319

Fuck me, what was that guy listening to? Absolutely awful. As all Australians, I'm sure Zem was listening to ACDC in his muscle shirt and took a nonchalant swig from a bottle of whiskey as a subtle expression of satisfaction with his victory.

[NerdBoyWonder]

Stuck between 2 lists for GP Phoenix:

[deck]4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Young Pyromancer

3 Chain to the Rocks

4 Boros Charm
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
3 Searing Blood
3 Shock
4 Skullcrack
4 Warleader's Helix

3 Boros Guildgate
9 Mountain
3 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph

Sideboard
2 Assemble the Legion
1 Chain to the Rocks
1 Chandra, Pyromaster
2 Mizzium Mortars
3 Peak Eruption
2 Spark Trooper
3 Viashino Firstblade
1 Wear//Tear
[/deck]

Or the current Z List:

[deck]lands
9 Mountain
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
1 Boros Guildgate
3 Mutavault
1 Temple of Silence
1 Temple of Abandon

Creatures
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Chandra's Phoenix

Other
3 Chained to the Rocks

Burns
4 Magma Jet
3 Searing Blood
4 Warleader's Helix
3 Shock
4 Skullcrack
4 Boros Charm
4 Lightning Strike

Sideboard
3 Mizzium Mortars
3 Toil/Trouble
3 Peak Eruption
1 Wear/Tear
n1 Chained to the Rocks
2 Spark Trooper
2 Assemble the Legion[/deck]

Jammed games with the new list and felt like the one I took to the GPT here just with a different plan of attack. Tested against U/w Devo, MBC, and Esper.

the extra scry helps and Toil side of Toil/Trouble managed to let me beat MBC after multiple hand disruptions.

Esper game 1 is cake but the sideboard plan is an issue. My brother brings in more counters, hand disruption and creatures. Only losses were to him getting a majority of his sideboard. It was about even and I never drew a sideboard card against him besides one toil//trouble in a match I was already losing. Can't beat triple Hand Discard with double counters to back up anything you can play.

Kind of stuck. Really. I like the extra scry and Toil//Trouble but Viashino and familiarity is calling me.

[Pendulum]

My match starts at 2h15m

http://www.twitch.tv/sybexmtg/b/515790319

Fuck me, what was that guy listening to? Absolutely awful wubsteppy. As all Australians, I'm sure Zem was listening to ACDC Men At Work in his muscle wolf shirt and took a nonchalant swig from a bottle his beard full of
whiskey as a subtle expression of satisfaction with his preamble to coitus to celebrate his victory.

I absolutely loved the video, just the commentary about Zem being too damn nice was hilarious.

@NBW: While the nature of this game does reward ingenuity and quick adaptation to subtle change, we often dismiss familiarity. The situations you're describing don't sound so out there that others won't take the same tack or get the same luck as your playtest group did, I'd stick with Plan A.