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[LP, of the Fires]

BNG adds a lot to the set. I mean, there are still plenty of games decided by putting creatures on creautres, but now there's more aggro in the format creating very fast paced interactive games.

[LaZerBurn]

Pip sits next to me and draws. Sometimes asks about the game state if I look challenged but otherwise says nothing.

Marry her

[Kaitscralt]

pip is a figment of his imagination

[hamfactorial]

BNG adds a lot to the set. I mean, there are still plenty of games decided by putting creatures on creautres, but now there's more aggro in the format creating very fast paced interactive games.

I'll play a few events in that case. Assuming MTGO is working again, rat bastards!

[zemanjaski]

pip is a figment of his imagination

At least I am doing something right.

[BlakLanner]

Officially giving up on MTGO until the game decides to give me playable games. 0-2 another daily, making 9+ straight land drops the first match and keeping excellent 2 land hands in the second while drawing only Phoenixes and Helixes. I can't afford to scrub out every event due to shit like this.

[hamfactorial]

pip is a figment of his imagination

At least I am doing something right.

It would be difficult to design a better imaginary girlfriend.

[Kaitscralt]

Officially giving up on MTGO until the game decides to give me playable games. 0-2 another daily, making 9+ straight land drops the first match and keeping excellent 2 land hands in the second while drawing only Phoenixes and Helixes. I can't afford to scrub out every event due to shit like this.

how is this mtgo

[Kaitscralt]

not the old shuffler story

[BlakLanner]

Officially giving up on MTGO until the game decides to give me playable games. 0-2 another daily, making 9+ straight land drops the first match and keeping excellent 2 land hands in the second while drawing only Phoenixes and Helixes. I can't afford to scrub out every event due to shit like this.

how is this mtgo

I don't know. I am on the beta client, maybe that is something. The regular client doesn't agree with my system (forced to use Win8.1 for work and the workarounds aren't working). I have a whole 2QP, usually losing to issues like this (hexproof fights aside). I am
down 50+ tickets this month and I can't afford losing even more. The probabilities of what I am dealing with on MTGO are so incredibly miniscule that I cannot help but wonder. On paper, I have the occasional bad luck like everyone else, but it is well within the expected amounts.

[hamfactorial]

Variance seems higher on MTGO because people have predictable shuffling patterns between games in paper. True randomness feels like manipulation when you hit the low spots.

[hamfactorial]

My pet theory at least.

I was on a terrible cooler, making 1 QP in a week, then made 4 in a day. Just the law of averages at work.

[BlakLanner]

I don't consider myself anywhere near important enough to think "manipulation" is at play. I just have noticed a pretty steep increase in these kinds of draws since moving back to the beta client. It makes me wonder if something actually is broken. If I ever get back to the regular client, I can start keeping records and see if there is any difference or if it is just in my head and I am on the worst bad luck streak of my life (in game).

[magicdownunder]

Variance seems higher on MTGO because people have predictable shuffling patterns between games in paper. True randomness feels like manipulation when you hit the low spots.

This, I feel like people cheat in paper (esp. with those 20 lands decks with 4cc+ drops) on MODO the shuffler screws as all equally - my suggestion would be to play control or run some deck manipulation spells.

[hamfactorial]

I don't consider myself anywhere near important enough to think "manipulation" is at play. I just have noticed a pretty steep increase in these kinds of draws since moving back to the beta client. It makes me wonder if something actually is broken. If I ever get back to the regular client, I can start keeping records and see if there is any difference or if it is just in my head and I am on the worst bad luck streak of my life (in game).

I'm not sure if it has a name, but there's a psychological effect where people remember a negative outcome more strongly than a positive one. I can't remember a recent game where I hit my outs and won, but I sure remember the ones where I bricked and lost.

[imopen2]

I draw my outs often enough. but that's what my deck is supposed to do, right?

[hamfactorial]

Drawing and casting your win con is pure skill

[LP, of the Fires]

I don't consider myself anywhere near important enough to think "manipulation" is at play. I just have noticed a pretty steep increase in these kinds of draws since moving back to the beta client. It makes me wonder if something actually is broken. If I ever get back to the regular client, I can start keeping records and see if there is any difference or if it is just in my head and I am on the worst bad luck streak of my life (in game).

I'm not sure if it has a name, but there's a psychological effect where people remember a negative outcome more strongly than a positive
one. I can't remember a recent game where I hit my outs and won, but I sure remember the ones where I bricked and lost.

I know what your talking about but again, the exact term eludes me. Humans definitely have a negative confirmation bias though, that's for shit sure. Poker players especially are the most delusional beings on the planet.

[magicdownunder]

MTGO Update:

All PTQ and MOCS are on ETA (nothing new)

DtR Members in POTYR
#1: Magicdownunder (ranked 44 I moved in-between rank 44-51 for the entire week )
#2: Jedi_Knight (rank 118, you broke the 120 barrier which means you should have 1-month buffer where you don't need to play and still remain up-float (above 150)
#3: Kawa_Pedros (rank 138, still in the scary zone 120-150 - but considering you made it here with J_K from no where I know you can get those random spouts of mass win streak in limited time-frame)

lets take over the POTY Finals guys (if Wizard can run them )

MTGO Beta is now slightly faster (app.) which makes your
8-Man sniping even better if your bother to be a jerk and select a Aura deck just to target down burn players (they need to remove this element since you can't snipe on the traditional client which gives us a disadvantage).

[imopen2]

snipe?

[magicdownunder]

You can see the names of the players in your queue, which give you an advantage if you know the skill level and decks they're playing.

Example: your in a 8-man Draft - LSV or Owen is running, so you can leave Q let it fire and Q up for the next event....

[zemanjaski]

If I see LSV I am joining, I like Burn vs Esper.

[Pedros]

As for mtgo shuffler you are right MDU. Considering I am a programmer, writting shuffler aplication is really easy.

Pseudocode:

Random r = Random(time.miliseconds_time_now). <- this generated random numbers generator. For every milisecond you have one set of numbers, if it isnt enought (preferable would be to have as many posible seeds numbers as there is chances to set up a deck (N!, where n is a number of cards in a deck).

And then you make sth like that:

Deck deck = 0;
int pom = n;

for(int i = 0; i < N; i++)
{
deck.addCard(Cards.removeAt(r.next() % pom));
pom--;
}

Where Deck is you shuffled deck, Cards is a set of not used cards (if u shuffle after game).

Basicly nothing compilcated here. MTGO is just brutal when deck isnt consistent -> as MDU said in real life we have shuffling patterns, plus sleeves for lands are much more used than sleeves for cards, which matters when you are
shuffling. Most also put all lands together when they scoop -> which stacks a deck somehow.

As for POTY I havent played almost at all last 2 weaks (1 day a week probably), but still am at 30 points. I hope to get 20 more points last week, but not really sure if I can. You can help me with it if u all help with GW - only MDU got sth to say + Zem suggested some things on mtgo but didnt pu any ideas in a thread, and Ham I am looking at you when it comes for control matchup.

Or is Burn just a better deck at the moment?

[magicdownunder]

Right now, I can say Burn is the better deck since most list are still packing green hate (for GRX monsters) though burn is now rank the 4th most successful deck (more so then Grx Monster) thus I expect hate (dispel and discard mainly, both of these are brutal vs Current DtR Burn).

I'll go back and say BW Control is the most rounded list right now (imo) its also quite expensive (out of reach if you recently brought Modern Robot cards, yes I'm bitter) I like the many directions you can take (beside the gary variant which I think is horrible).

My favorite version is the one with 3x BBV, 4x Rats and 3x Ghost Dads MD with 9 discard effects in the 75, though I'll recommend going with whatever aytor_92 is playing since that man can produces finishes rather often (though he does it, even with horrible builds like RDW so take it as a grain of salt - he could just be really good ).

[Pedros]

I just read sam black metagame description on scg and I cant just not agree with it. With mono blue reaurgence in gp (one of the worst matchup of gw) plus green/white hate everywhere (dragon, blood baron, lifebane zombie, tidebinder mage. They really were scared vs angel of serenity, thragtusk and resto angel...) it seems pointless. However gw is one of the better deck vs burn imo (huge bodies, voice to play on sorcery, almost impossible to win vs unflinching courage), very good black matchup (95% win % vs black based control) and reasonable control matchup.

U devo and co trol can be better with 8 hate card in skylasher and mistcutter hydra and as you said monsters are falling down. With baron and dragon going heavier into green is quite good, no more brave blowouts but gods willing still good to protect key threats. It also allows speeding tghings up with elvish mistic and allows witchstalker and boon satyr and advent
of the wurm.

Btw call of the conclave is better than fleecemane lion imo, also gives rootborn defences and populate disechant ore value vs contrrol.

[Pedros]

Oh plus bow as possible fuck a rw burn option, Michael Jacob used it vs black and monsters also as additional way to pass through demon/caryatid/dragon/baron. Plus cant see burn winning vs bow.

[magicdownunder]

Sounds like you prefer GW, if your beating Bx, Control and Burn then go for it (I struggle to see how your doing so well against Bx and Control but I trust ya).

[Jonnymagic]

I've had to face bow a good bit lately as well, which is another reason that solidified me playing wear/tear. Burn just cant beat and early bow.

[Pedros]

Sounds like you prefer GW, if your beating Bx, Control and Burn then go for it (I struggle to see how your doing so well against Bx and Control but I trust ya).

I just thing I have lots of experience vs control from block constructed so mostly I know what to play around. Stuff lile voice before combat, punish from tapping out with wurm/charm/ now boon satyr, knowing when to keep rootborn.

Why black is bad matchup? Just because of lifebane?

[hamfactorial]

You can see the names of the players in your queue, which give you an advantage if you know the skill level and decks they're playing.

Example: your in a 8-man Draft - LSV or Owen is running, so you can leave Q let it fire and Q up for the next event....

Pro tip! I didn't know the beta offered this feature. Thank you, I'll be on the lookout for 8-mans full of scrubby scrubs.

[Kaitscralt]

Don't use the beta

[BlakLanner]

Don't use the beta

Seriously, that is when my problems started. I know somebody needs to test it but don't play your events on it.

[hamfactorial]

Ham's Wallet:

[Jedi_Knight]

I don't consider myself anywhere near important enough to think "manipulation" is at play. I just have noticed a pretty steep increase in these kinds of draws since moving back to the beta client. It makes me wonder if something actually is broken. If I ever get back to the regular client, I can start keeping records and see if there is any difference or if it is just in my head and I am on the worst bad luck streak of my life (in game).

I'm not sure if it has a name, but there's a psychological effect where people remember a negative outcome more strongly than a positive
one. I can't remember a recent game where I hit my outs and won, but I sure remember the ones where I bricked and lost.

Negativity bias is it called. Concerned with a bad memory weighting more than a good one.

More DTR in TOP 150!

[Kaitscralt]

Ham's Wallet:

you've got over a week to double that

[Jonnymagic]

I need to get 4 this week. I'm going to draft at my LGS tonight because I haven't gotten to draft in a while and drafting has always been my baby. Hopefully a night this week I can crank out a few points and be qualified for the prelims that may or may not ever happen if Wizards has any say in the matter.

[Kaitscralt]

I'm at 43, I haven't been playing much since the double weekend crashes

[hamfactorial]

Ham's Wallet:

you've got over a week to double that

Working hard on it. I'm going to play an 8 man each morning and night, shouldn't be a problem.

I've finally grasped how to play Z's burn deck properly, supplementing rupees with it when the Modern
queues aren't firing.

[Kaitscralt]

Well it is a mindless deck that a gorilla could pilot, after all

[Kaitscralt]