Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!

[RedNihilist]

I was actually thinking that his winning condition right now consists in killing 2 ice mafia players, so we could force him to use his nightkill to to scumhunting purposes, but it just doesn't make sense. Going 5 against 2 and negating Fire mafia's nightkilling ability is probably the stronger play here.

Let's just vote Fate as well.

[RedNihilist]

Unvote.
Wait, is he at L-2 already?

[zemanjaski]

What's he going to claim? Explain the strategic purpose of the unvote please/

[RedNihilist]

Well, I guess you're right, lol.
Vote Fate.

[Stardust]

What's he going to claim? Explain the strategic purpose of the unvote please/

So bloodthirsty.

[zemanjaski]

No I want to know what's going through his head. It doesn't seem believable to get the structure that wrong.

[Stardust]

Oh, so you believe my claim?

[zemanjaski]

Nope.

[Stardust]

So Fate could claim Doc then, yes?

[RedNihilist]

I just "panicked" because I've realized that my vote puts him at L-1, but if we're right he doesn't actually have any fellow scumteam member to drop a quickhammer on him or any interest (I guess) in suiciding, so zem is just right in asking for an explanation I guess.

[zemanjaski]

He could but he declined to. There's no reason not to if he was the doc; that he didn't even try suggests to me that he knows the real doc is out there (if he's scum) or that he's a vt who doesn't want to expose the doc; so that's null at best.

The structure of the game makes it really hard for me to put players in the town pile; scum actively want to hunt scum in this game.

[Stardust]

Okay, I generally agree with everything you just said.

What did you mean by this?
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It doesn't seem believable to get the structure that wrong.

[RedNihilist]

Fate can either:
- claim Fire -> we're willing to lynch him;
- claim Ice -> would that give us any less reason to go on?
- claim Doc;
- claim Vanilla Townie.

The last claim is pretty much meaningless, so this lets us face with the lone hypothesis of him claiming Doc.
But, given the fact that he has been scummy during the whole game AND banded with (G_R) AND that he would be appealing to his last resort, would you believe him?

[zemanjaski]

Well, my immediate response was "what could red expect fate to claim that would get him to change his vote?"

We know there's 1 doc and otherwise you can only claim vt. Claiming vt should save you from a lynch because everyone will have to claim it; the structure, I think, is set up that 1 mafia =/= 1 doc; so claiming doc to trade for the real doc after they counter claim seems like a losing proposition.

So I just don't understand the Unvote; to make sense of it I figured that perhaps red didn't know the set up, or didn't know it was open. I'm not sure what to make of his response tbh.

[zemanjaski]

Claiming vt shouldn't save you from a lynch*

Stupid phone

[RedNihilist]

I know the setup, so just don't worry about that.
Still, it's 16 CET and I'm posting from the office, so I guess you're overthinking on my not-thinking-enough-before-posting.

[zemanjaski]

Probably, it's 2am and I can't sleep and I need to be up at 530 sigh

[RedNihilist]

Who needs sleep when we got coffee?

[Stardust]

I'm not sure what to make of his response tbh.

Really? Do you think he put any thought into re-voting there? Do you think you actually changed his mind about anything?

[Link]

it's wraith stardust for ice

and Z for fire isn't it


hmmmm


Im not claiming you scumfucks.days been open like 20mins

[zemanjaski]

I think the only line where he's anything but town that made a harmless error is if I think he's scum buddies with fate; which I don't. It's plausible he could be making a play for town cred, but I don't think so.

The way he worded his response, before his more substantive explanation gave me pause but now I feel ok.

Town voting bloc: Zem, wraith, Rez, red? Next most likely town is Stardust I think.

[Link]

Dont avoid me z

at least expose yourself with a bullshit case on me

[rezombad]

Just looking at the last votecount, I think there are 1-2 scum in the Manders/Wraith/Void group and the others are among Rednihilist/Zemanjaski/Stardust.

I'm particularly interested in Rednihilist(#961) and will be rereading when I have free time today in this order:

Rednihilist
Manders
Zemanjaski
Stardust
Void
Wraith223

Manders you can totally case Wraith today, since you've been talking about wanting to do it the entire game.

[Stardust]

MY GUT WAS RIGHT AGAIN JESUS

Just rereading this, are you suggesting that your gut was still telling you GR was scum even while you were repeatedly calling him town? I call bullshit.

[Void]

That backfired on me hard. Stardust is 100% correct in the conversation we had yesterDay. I was got the reaction I was looking for in G_R and for that voted him for it. Then RL gets in the way and Night fall comes before I can explain my reasoning behind the naked vote. Had I foreseen this coming I would have the reasoning in the post where I voted G_R. But that is life and can't go back and change it. Hindsight and all that stuff.

Vote: Fate

That's L-1

[rezombad]

Wraith, Stardust, Zem, Rednihilist, Void

[rezombad]

Wow...
12 hours 2 minutes into the day and Void hammers.

[RedNihilist]

That backfired on me hard. Stardust is 100% correct in the conversation we had yesterDay. I was got the reaction I was looking for in G_R and for that voted him for it. Then RL gets in the way and Night fall comes before I can explain my reasoning behind the naked vote. Had I foreseen this coming I would have the reasoning in the post where I voted G_R. But that is life and can't go back and change it. Hindsight and all that stuff.

Vote: Fate

That's L-1

Dude, it's not L-1, you hammered him.
I said he was at L-2 but voted him AFTER that...

[Stardust]

Wow...
12 hours 2 minutes into the day and Void hammers.

This is reminding me of Theros Pantheon Mafia. Except we're not going to regret this one. Right, Fate?

[Void]

That backfired on me hard. Stardust is 100% correct in the conversation we had yesterDay. I was got the reaction I was looking for in G_R and for that voted him for it. Then RL gets in the way and Night fall comes before I can explain my reasoning behind the naked vote. Had I foreseen this coming I would have the reasoning in the post where I voted G_R. But that is life and can't go back and change it. Hindsight and all that stuff.

Vote: Fate

That's L-1

Dude, it's not L-1, you hammered him.
I said he was at L-2 but voted him AFTER that...

n...

I don't know what to say... Your post confused me.

[Wraith223]

Damn! Fate got hammered fast and he is one of my stronger scum reads. So red is not on fates teams, and zem is checking anyone who pulls a vote on fate. Hmmmmm.

@rez, am I not town to you? I don't mind any questions or casing of me as it helps town to have more content from manders. Although I am concerned that you are day talking with manders to begin an attack me. Both of you have not clashed or really strongly communicated with each other till now. Asking for someone to case me seems like an order to scum.

[zemanjaski]

Insert mandatory confusing wraith post.

[Kazekirimaru]

Do not post. Mod Scene Forthcoming

[Kazekirimaru]

Vote Count 24!
Where we're going, we don't need roads

Stardust (0)
zemanjaski (0)
Void (0)
Wraith223 (0)
Fate (5) - Wraith223, Stardust, zemanjaski, RedNihilist, Void(HAMMAH)
RedNihilist (0)
Manders (0)
rezombad (0)

Not Voting (3) - Fate, Manders, rezombad

With 8 alive, it was 5 to lynch.

[Kazekirimaru]

And so the citizens of Peaceville sat down for another day of deliberation.

Or they would be, rather, if five of them didn't decide to just pick up the spade and whack the motherfuck out of Fate a few hours into talks.

Fate has been lynched! He was...

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A Vanilla Townie

It is now Night 3. Do not post. Night ends 21 February, 2014 11:59PM EST

[Link]

lol...

[Kazekirimaru]

He was a modest man, raised from a decent home. He devoted his life to helping others. His only lot in life was to save.

Stardust started home after the third consecutive day of failure. He cursed himself, wishing he could have done more - done something. Every day more people turned up dead. And here he was without a clue as to who was perpetrating such vile acts upon his beloved townsfolk.

He arrived at his home after a short walk. Stardust unlocked his door, stepped inside, and immediately threw himself upon his bed. Exhausted and downtrodden, he decided his clothing would make suitable sleep garments this night, and closed his eyes.

Unfortunately, he'd never open them again.

Stardust was killed Night 3! He was...

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A Town Doctor.

[i:
24wtxmkj]Down the road a ways, a report sounded. The scream didn't even have time to escape her lungs.[/i]

Manders was killed Night 3! She was...

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A Vanilla Townie.

[Kazekirimaru]

Vote Count 25!
Snap, crackle, pop.

zemanjaski (0)
Void (0)
Wraith223 (0)
RedNihilist (0)
rezombad (0)

Not Voting (5) - zemanjaski, Void, Wraith223, RedNihilist, rezombad

With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch.

Deadline is 8 March, 2014 11:59PM EST

[RedNihilist]

According to my math, we're in MyLo.
Bah.

[RedNihilist]

Well, worse than that: lynching Fire Scum is just as bad as lynching a Townie at this point of the game.

I've got to do some thinking.