Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!

[DroppinSuga]

Post your case now since a few of us agree that Zem is scum

Someone hammer this scum now please.

[imopen2]

What happened, suga? A page ago you unvoted me. How is asking you to take a stand scummy?

[rezombad]

I'm ok with a Freedom lynch. Willing to put my vote there if that's the group consensus between Freedom, Imopen2, Zeman, and Wraith (that's my order of scuminess).

Why is cm not on your list?
Why is wraith on your list?

[DroppinSuga]

Because if I post my case at this moment, it's just going to draw focus away from you, who should stay our target for today. Hence why I'm going to case Z tomorrow.

[Kazekirimaru]

Vote Count 8!
You must unlearn what you have learned~

Stardust (0)
freedom (4) - Captain Murphy, Void, (G_R), Manders
rcwraspy (0)
zemanjaski (2) - imopen2, freedom
Void (0)
Wraith223 (0)
Fate (0)
Captain Murphy (0)
DroppinSuga (0)
Manders (0)
rezombad (0)
(G_R) (0)
imopen2 (5) - Stardust, Wraith223, zemanjaski, Fate, DroppinSuga

Not Voting (2) - rezombad, rcwraspy

With 13 alive, it is 7 to lynch.

Deadline is: 30 January, 2014 11:59PM EST

[rezombad]

Because if I post my case at this moment, it's just going to draw focus away from you, who should stay our target for today. Hence why I'm going to case Z tomorrow.

Wait, you're saying that if you post a case against someone, it's going to draw attention away from them?

[DroppinSuga]

Rez, can you read?

[rezombad]

Rez, can you read?

Yes, and I did misread it. No need to be a bitch though.

[rcwraspy]

I'm ok with a Freedom lynch. Willing to put my vote there if that's the group consensus between Freedom, Imopen2, Zeman, and Wraith (that's my order of scuminess).

Why is cm not on your list?
Why is wraith on your list?

Wraith's on my list because of his interactions with the other potential scummers on my list. He's buddying/busing all 3 of them to various degrees.

CM was on my list but he's dropped back down to null with recent posts.

Wait, nope. that was Manders whose recent posts i liked.

Yeah, CM's probably 5th or 6th on my scumwatch list.

I've
got Stardust up there too because something's giving me the heebyjeebies about his continual Doc claims and he's started to push fairly hard.

[DroppinSuga]

Well, my guess would be that if Dusty wasn't the doctor, the real doctor would have counter claimed him already.

[rcwraspy]

Well, my guess would be that if Dusty wasn't the doctor, the real doctor would have counter claimed him already.

I don't think so. If I were the Doc I'd probably be pretty paranoid about a claim since it's the only PR and protection town has.

either that or Stardust is trying to do something that I just realized but probably shouldn't mention. Although I'm certain others could have/would have realized it by now.

[rezombad]

I'm ok with a Freedom lynch. Willing to put my vote there if that's the group consensus between Freedom, Imopen2, Zeman, and Wraith (that's my order of scuminess).

Why is cm not on your list?
Why is wraith on your list?

Wraith's on my list because of his interactions with the other potential scummers on my list. He's buddying/busing all 3 of them to various degrees.

CM was on my list but he's dropped
back down to null with recent posts.

Wait, nope. that was Manders whose recent posts i liked.

Yeah, CM's probably 5th or 6th on my scumwatch list.

I've got Stardust up there too because something's giving me the heebyjeebies about his continual Doc claims and he's started to push fairly hard.

Who is Wraith buddying?

There are only 4 scum, we know this, narrow your list down.

[imopen2]

Because if I post my case at this moment, it's just going to draw focus away from you, who should stay our target for today. Hence why I'm going to case Z tomorrow.

It also gives you the ability to tailor your case to whether I flip town or scum (I'm flipping town but if you are scum you know that already). I'd rather you get your stance out there with as little info as possible so you can't backtrack.

[imopen2]

"I've got Stardust up there too because something's giving me the heebyjeebies about his continual Doc claims and he's started to push fairly hard."

Never trust stardust

[rcwraspy]

Who is Wraith buddying?

There are only 4 scum, we know this, narrow your list down.

I thought he was buddying Zem. I'll have to go back and find that evidence.

No, I won't narrow down my scumspect list until people start getting confirmed.

Do you know exactly who the 4 scum are? If so, please enlighten us.

[Stardust]

either that or Stardust is trying to do something that I just realized but probably shouldn't mention. Although I'm certain others could have/would have realized it by now.

Nah, no tricks.

Because if I post my case at this moment, it's just going to draw focus away from you, who should stay our target for today. Hence why I'm going to case Z tomorrow.

It also gives you the ability to tailor your case to whether I flip town
or scum (I'm flipping town but if you are scum you know that already). I'd rather you get your stance out there with as little info as possible so you can't backtrack.

Ack more townslips (see bolded). This game is hard.

Unvote. Need a minute.

Pretty sure Suga's stance on zem is out there already.

[rcwraspy]

that's like the easiest "town slip" to make on purpose. Pretty sure I put it in every one of my scum games. If your vote was there, is that really enough to give you pause?

[Stardust]

Ok imopen, let's talk.

Does anyone know why I voted stardust?

What was your reasoning for asking this question? What did you get out of it?

so when are you guys going to lynch me so that you can try to find some actual scum?

Why did you ask this question? Your wagon was stalled somewhat at that time, making me read this as scum trying to appear town with no additional contribution. You do almost the opposite the next day in this post, but the fact
remains that you are preoccupied with your own wagon and nothing else (and again and again).

[Stardust]

that's like the easiest "town slip" to make on purpose. Pretty sure I put it in every one of my scum games. If your vote was there, is that really enough to give you pause?

That wouldn't be a town slip in any other game. I find myself continually needing to remind myself that the scum don't necessarily know who the townies are in this game. I don't think the scum would have the same problem, so I would expect that to read more like "but if you are scum you probably don't care" or something.

[Wraith223]

either that or Stardust is trying to do something that I just realized but probably shouldn't mention. Although I'm certain others could have/would have realized it by now.

Nah, no tricks.

Because if I post my case at this moment, it's just going to draw focus away from you, who
should stay our target for today. Hence why I'm going to case Z tomorrow.

It also gives you the ability to tailor your case to whether I flip town or scum (I'm flipping town but if you are scum you know that already). I'd rather you get your stance out there with as little info as possible so you can't backtrack.

Ack more townslips (see bolded). This game is hard.

Unvote. Need a minute.

Pretty sure Suga's stance on zem is out there already.

What? Can we get a reason for the back out?

For others, I am NOT buddying with Zem. My reads on him are aggressive town hunting for scum. He uses weird traps to entangle scum. Whether it works as he wanted is a mystery. There are many folks second guessing this game. Sounds like scum is hunting scum as a bad as town is hunting scum. I don't believe Stardust is the town doc cause that cannot be confirmed from MOD. Means nothing. Stardust has only
asked for answer to questions and votes/unvotes at random. I currently have Stardust on Null as I point to town or scum currently. Issue is that I do consider unfounded claims when not pressured to be scum(ish) as I learned with Iamopen2 in DTR mafia.

[Stardust]

DroppinSuga!

What makes you so certain that imopen is scum? What changed since you were unsure before?

Also, I'd like you to case zemanjaski at this time.

[imopen2]

Ok imopen, let's talk.

Does anyone know why I voted stardust?

What was your reasoning for asking this question? What did you get out of it?

so when are you guys going to lynch me so that you can try to find some actual scum?

Why did you ask this question? Your wagon was stalled somewhat at that time, making me read this as scum trying to appear town with no additional contribution. You do almost the opposite
the next day in this post, but the fact remains that you are preoccupied with your own wagon and nothing else (and again and again).

I didn't like that you didn't claim doc like you said you would, and I wanted to see what kind of reasoning others would come up with. Perhaps resulting in someone giving off a tell. I didn't get much of anything out of it.

Whether my wagon was stalled or not doesn't really matter to me. My goal is for the town to win, if that means I get mislynched day 1, that's fine. I'm going to attempt anything I can to illicit responses that can be analyzed later. I'm pretty sure I've caught Zem through this and
there are a few others that are not going to look very good when I flip town.

I was being honest when I said that I'm not that invested in this game. I've got a lot going on and I only joined so that it could fire. If I am destined to be the day 1 lynch then I'm going to play my way and try to expose as many scum as I can.

I keep up with the thread but most of it is about my wagon anyways so I don't feel like I'm neglecting other things. I wagoned on Captain, then on Zem. I've actually been one of the more active players.

[Wraith223]

DroppinSuga!

What makes you so certain that imopen is scum? What changed since you were unsure before?

Also, I'd like you to case zemanjaski at this time.

Can we use complete, well thought out sentences?

DroppinSuga! What? Need more than that.

Read....my....damn....posts when I presented my findings in asking for evaluations and votes. Nothing has changed since then.

Will take me a while as he has ALOt of yabba yabba.

[Stardust]

Wraith, that post was entirely directed at DroppinSuga (hence why I called him out in bold). I assumed my post before yours was enough to answer your question.

[imopen2]

Wraith, he is addressing suga with that post. That's why he bolded his name.

[Void]

You people do realize that even the Scum teams can Town slip in this game since either Scum team is Scum hunting legitimately.

I would not put much stock into Town slips this game. At least not this early on.

[Wraith223]

Wraith, that post was entirely directed at DroppinSuga (hence why I called him out in bold). I assumed my post before yours was enough to answer your question.

Oh, I misread that. Use "@DroppinSuge" or "DroppinSuga," as makes more formal sense.

Don't assume anything as it is a sign of weakness.

[Stardust]

I keep up with the thread but most of it is about my wagon anyways so I don't feel like I'm neglecting other things. I wagoned on Captain, then on Zem. I've actually been one of the more active players.

Yes, I know you've been active. It's what you've chosen to talk about since becoming a wagon that bugs me...

I need to think about this. Can you quickly run down your case on Z? Why continue to say "lynch me, then lynch scum" instead of trying to make a legitimate push against Z? (or CM I guess.)

[Stardust]

Don't assume anything as it is a sign of weakness.

What the hell is the matter with you, dude? Seriously.

Did I not answer your question well enough? Feel free to follow up.

You people do realize that even the Scum teams can Town slip in this game since either Scum team is Scum hunting legitimately.

Did you read why I thought it was a town slip? It has nothing to do with scum hunting.

[Wraith223]

You people do realize that even the Scum teams can Town slip in this game since either Scum team is Scum hunting legitimately.

I would not put much stock into Town slips this game. At least not this early on.

This your best post so far. Good job and what took so long? Should I put this on Forbes top 10 shocking moments for 2014?

I agree, scum is hunting scum as town is hunting scum. I am watching for it, but in the tells of scum quick attacking possible other scum. I never know whether Zem is scum or not from last games, thus Iamopen2 fell into that category of Scum attacking possible other scum.

[Wraith223]

Don't assume anything as it is a sign of weakness.

What the hell is the matter with you, dude? Seriously.

Did I not answer your question well enough? Feel free to follow up.


Nope.

[Wraith223]

Don't assume anything as it is a sign of weakness.

What the hell is the matter with you, dude? Seriously.

Did I not answer your question well enough? Feel free to follow up.

Nope.

[imopen2]

I can try to elaborate tonight if I have time re: Zem but off te top of my head...

He is being aggressive as normal (as of yet I haven't played a game with him where he was scum, likewise I believe this is the first game I've been town that involved Zem).

HOWEVER, usually his agression is based on (IMO) legit reasoning. His case on freedom was terrible and was based on freedom saying that CM might have worded something poorly, just as he felt he had.

He then went nuts on freedom with no further analysis, he just kept saying "lynch lynch, can we lynch? Lets lynch!"

He seemed in a huge hurry to lynch freedom over something that didn't sit right to me so I said as much.

The result was Zem coming after me for "buddying" freedom. By the same logic wouldn't wraith be buddying Zem? I don't see how me disagreeing with his read of freedom makes me sum by association.

I think there was more (?)
but I can't remember.

Mostly my case hinges on meta, lack of analysis with mouth foaming in its place, and eagerness to lynch something.

I want to say that there were a couple statements from Zem that didn't jive...didn't he change his opinion on me in like 3 posts or something? Idk. Enough for now.

[Stardust]

One last thing imopen, then I'm going to let this game stew for a bit. I want you to write a 200 word essay on your townslip. Go.

[Void]

@Wraith:
I'm not here to impress you or anyone. Take your shit talking else where or just don't respond to anything I say.

@Stardust:
As stated by someone else. That Town slip is easy to fake. Why are you trying to clear someone on a Town slip that can be easily faked?

[Stardust]

:sigh:

I dunno. Is it easy? I'm not so sure. Hidden within the middle of a paragraph, off-hand reference with no attention drawn to it whatsoever, subtle enough that I doubt most people (me included) would even catch it 95% of the time. It doesn't feel intentional.

If it wasn't faked, do you agree it counts as a slip? Do you see the mindset I'm talking about there?

[imopen2]

I won't make it 200 words, but I will say that I didn't realize it was a townslip until you pointed it out. I forgot that there were two scum teams and that they don't know who is on the other team. If I was scum I would have remembered this, and I also would have been acutely aware that there was the possibility that suga was scum and yet still wouldn't know that I was town.

I think I agree with void that townslips are null, but in this case I'm actually town so...

Also, neither rcw nor void seemed to understand what you were saying about it.

[rcwraspy]

- I don't believe Stardust's Doc claim

You may believe whatever you wish. It doesn't really matter because I know something most don't.

This still has my hackles up. You're obviously not referring to your Doc claim because that was in the signup thread and you've been talking about it a lot, so most people do know about that. So what else could you know that we don't? that you're scum? that imopen is your scumbuddy?

[Wraith223]

@Wraith:
I'm not here to impress you or anyone. Take your shit talking else where or just don't respond to anything I say.

You dish it out but can't take it. How typical. Is the game you are playing mafia or bitchface?


Yes, I am having fun with gifs since I figured out how to use them.

[Stardust]

109 words. Not bad.

Also, neither rcw nor void seemed to understand what you were saying about it.

Yeah, I noticed that too. Why do you think townslips are null?

- I don't believe Stardust's Doc claim

You may believe whatever you wish. It doesn't
really matter because I know something most don't.

This still has my hackles up. You're obviously not referring to your Doc claim because that was in the signup thread and you've been talking about it a lot, so most people do know about that. So what else could you know that we don't? that you're scum? that imopen is your scumbuddy?

Leave the hackling for tomorrow. I probably won't survive the Night. *winkwink*