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MDU- I'm playing in a paper tournament on Sunday. I was planning on playing the pyroskies deck, as I've had pretty solid results with it on MODO (averaging about 66% win rate). I saw you're playing Big Boros now. Is that deck performing better for you? I'm in two minds now whether to play PyroSkies or go bigger.
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If they MB Drown, they can't play pack rats (the best card in their deck) before T4. Relax.To better handle suit my plastyle against monoB, I am (considering) cutting one Charm and adding one Assemble to SB. I actually already did that, just not really sure if I stick to it. They both go in against monoB, but Charm I dont't find as useful as the Assemble, which frankly terrifies monoB players (and for good reason) - and since we board out dragons, I do feel a little bit sad without a good chance to see a nice 5mana finisher.
Also is it just me, or do we have a unfavorable matchup (emphasis on the draw) against Red All In? I know that these decks currently go for only about few % of online meta, but boy, do I miss me Anger. It's winnable for sure, just a bit harder than it was. That could be my bias since
my november build was kinda tuned against then rampaging aggro decks.
As for the new set I am not relly terrified about the sweeper, since I doubt they will run 4 copies of it MB. Sure, it gets harder, but we will adapt, as we always do. At least there will be more incentive to at least try RB with all the haste these colors offer.
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2-1 at FNM
Played vs Bant Flash (2-0), W/u Humans (esper aggro, minus black for what I can only assumes are budget issues 2-1) and Junk Reanimator (1-2). Video coverage of the finals should be availible tomorrow (I'll post here).
Game 1, I squeaked out. I mis-scry'd in game 2 and it cost me the match. Game 3 I just drew poorly.
I am really annoyed with myself, but hey, I'm not perfect. I'll try to post some notes on my thought processes or w/e to explain my misplays. I forgot that the goddamn whip gave lifelink at one point, which is super embarrassing. Rough day at work and it shows I'm afraid. His deck is weird too, which doesn't help.
Anyway, good luck with your fnms.
Played vs Bant Flash (2-0), W/u Humans (esper aggro, minus black for what I can only assumes are budget issues 2-1) and Junk Reanimator (1-2). Video coverage of the finals should be availible tomorrow (I'll post here).
Game 1, I squeaked out. I mis-scry'd in game 2 and it cost me the match. Game 3 I just drew poorly.
I am really annoyed with myself, but hey, I'm not perfect. I'll try to post some notes on my thought processes or w/e to explain my misplays. I forgot that the goddamn whip gave lifelink at one point, which is super embarrassing. Rough day at work and it shows I'm afraid. His deck is weird too, which doesn't help.
Anyway, good luck with your fnms.
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Pedros just suggested Blind Obedience for the Esper Mid as it stops Ghost Dad. I quite like this idea, thoughts anyone?
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You still have the problem of a 4pt life swing every turn, but does stop him from attacking if he's blinked, so that's something. I've noticed flash decks are starting to become more popular on MODO, so added bonus that it helps screw those guys up as well. Could be relevant for some race matchups as well like R/x devotion.
Overall I'm not 100% convinced though, as I'm so pushed for sideboard space already.
Overall I'm not 100% convinced though, as I'm so pushed for sideboard space already.
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What's the cut though? Seems to help verse all decks in theoryPedros just suggested Blind Obedience for the Esper Mid as it stops Ghost Dad. I quite like this idea, thoughts anyone?
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I was going to say Glare but on reflection I don't think it's as good it's too narrow and can be DSphere'd so while it might shut down GD it's not certain, if only Glare was an instant! I'm trying to avoid speculating on the post rot meta until everything is spoiled but I'm thinking Fated Conflagration right now
Poppa is right about the life swing too, even if it stops him attacking I don't think it warrants a slot on that alone, even though it does work in other match ups too.
Thoughts on whether PyroDragons has a better match than Big Boros against Esper Mid? I'm thinking it does in which case it might be a better choice given the current MTGO meta.
nEDIT - Just went 3-1 in the DE, will post vids later
Poppa is right about the life swing too, even if it stops him attacking I don't think it warrants a slot on that alone, even though it does work in other match ups too.
Thoughts on whether PyroDragons has a better match than Big Boros against Esper Mid? I'm thinking it does in which case it might be a better choice given the current MTGO meta.
nEDIT - Just went 3-1 in the DE, will post vids later
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Thanks Purp I beat R/G, MonoU and Esper (rage quit in G2) and lost to Esper Mid variant with Ashiok and Alms Beast. This won the DE.
UW is fairly straight forward - try to get in early beats while avoiding over-extending and playing around counters and removal - thought I guess you already do this You can always try to bait out their removal (I'll attack with my Vaults over casting spells sometimes, especially if I have plenty of land) but again I expect you already do this too Sometimes they do just have all the answers and if this happens a few games in a row it's easy to start thinking that the match is always going to go this way. From the other side of the table they
are worried too remember - when they tap out for Verdict they are hoping you don't have SBD in hand!
UW is fairly straight forward - try to get in early beats while avoiding over-extending and playing around counters and removal - thought I guess you already do this You can always try to bait out their removal (I'll attack with my Vaults over casting spells sometimes, especially if I have plenty of land) but again I expect you already do this too Sometimes they do just have all the answers and if this happens a few games in a row it's easy to start thinking that the match is always going to go this way. From the other side of the table they
are worried too remember - when they tap out for Verdict they are hoping you don't have SBD in hand!
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[deck]Lands 25
11 Mountain
2 Boros Guildgate
4 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
Creatures 18
2 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Ash Zealot
4 StormBreath Dragon
Enchantments 03
3 Chained to the Rocks
Instants 10
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Warleader's Helix
Sorcery 02
2 Mizzium Mortars
Planeswalkers 02
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
Sideboard 15
1 Chained to the Rocks
1 Assemble the Legion
2 Glare of Heresy
2 Mizzium Mortars
3 Boros Reckoner
2 Skullcrack
2 Boros Charm
2 Last Breath[/deck]
SB Strat: Bolded things I could use help with
Mono Red(including AiR):
-6 1 drops, -?(anything else?)
+2 Mortar, +3 Reckoner, +1 Chain +LB?
GW:
-6 1 drops, -2 Chandra
+2 Mortar, +2 Glare, +3 Reckoner, +1 Chain
WW:
-6 1 drops, -? what
else
+2 Mortars, +3 Reckoner, +1 Chain, +2 Glare, +2 LB?
Mono U:
-6 1 drops
+2 Mortars, +1 Chain, +2 LB ,+?
Mono B:
-4 SBD, -2 Guildgate
+1 Chain, +1 Assemble, +2 Skullcrack, +2 Boros Charm? +X Mizzium? --- Mortars on the draw, Charms on the play?
Esper Control:
-3 Chain, -? (MJ? Helix?)
+2 Skullcrack, +2 Boros Charm, +2 Glare?
R/x Devo:
-6 1 drops, -Chandra?
+3 Reckoner, +2 Mortar, +1 Chain, +2 Glare? +2 LB?
GR Monsters:
-6 1 drops
+2 Mortar, +3 Reckoner, +1 Chain +Charm?
11 Mountain
2 Boros Guildgate
4 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
Creatures 18
2 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Ash Zealot
4 StormBreath Dragon
Enchantments 03
3 Chained to the Rocks
Instants 10
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Warleader's Helix
Sorcery 02
2 Mizzium Mortars
Planeswalkers 02
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
Sideboard 15
1 Chained to the Rocks
1 Assemble the Legion
2 Glare of Heresy
2 Mizzium Mortars
3 Boros Reckoner
2 Skullcrack
2 Boros Charm
2 Last Breath[/deck]
SB Strat: Bolded things I could use help with
Mono Red(including AiR):
-6 1 drops, -?(anything else?)
+2 Mortar, +3 Reckoner, +1 Chain +LB?
GW:
-6 1 drops, -2 Chandra
+2 Mortar, +2 Glare, +3 Reckoner, +1 Chain
WW:
-6 1 drops, -? what
else
+2 Mortars, +3 Reckoner, +1 Chain, +2 Glare, +2 LB?
Mono U:
-6 1 drops
+2 Mortars, +1 Chain, +2 LB ,+?
Mono B:
-4 SBD, -2 Guildgate
+1 Chain, +1 Assemble, +2 Skullcrack, +2 Boros Charm? +X Mizzium? --- Mortars on the draw, Charms on the play?
Esper Control:
-3 Chain, -? (MJ? Helix?)
+2 Skullcrack, +2 Boros Charm, +2 Glare?
R/x Devo:
-6 1 drops, -Chandra?
+3 Reckoner, +2 Mortar, +1 Chain, +2 Glare? +2 LB?
GR Monsters:
-6 1 drops
+2 Mortar, +3 Reckoner, +1 Chain +Charm?
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Went 3-1 at 18 person ThursNM, losing last round 2-1 against UW control. I took a hiatus over the holidays and played a midweek NM last week that went terribly. Used MDU’s latest list. It’s not a Johnny Spike or MDU caliber report but it helps me think about my games a little more. I have had a little more trouble w/ UW lately. Jace + Azorius charm really slow the game down. Lots of UW players at LGS running Quicken for Verdicts after we tap out for SBD and whatnot.
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Round reports: G/r Monsters, Naya Midrange, Maze's End, UW Control
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Went 3-1 in today's DE here's the vids Variance was on my side today as I don't think I played well to be honest so feedback is most welcome!
DE6622156 R1 G2 MDU's Boros Aggro vs Esper Mid variant
DE6622156 R1 G3 MDU's Boros Aggro vs Esper Mid variant
DE6622156 R2 G1 MDU's Boros Aggro vs Mono U Devo
DE6622156 R2 G2 MDU's Boros Aggro vs Mono U Devo
DE6622156 R3 G1 MDU's Boros Aggro vs G/R/W Monsters
DE6622156 R3 G2 MDU's Boros Aggro vs G/R/W Monsters
DE6622156 R3 G3 MDU's Boros Aggro vs G/
R/W Monsters
DE6622156 R4 G1MDU's Boros Aggro vs Esper
DE6622156 R4 G2 MDU's Boros Aggro vs Esper
The List
DE6622156 R1 G1 MDU's Boros Aggro vs Esper Mid variantDE6622156 R1 G2 MDU's Boros Aggro vs Esper Mid variant
DE6622156 R1 G3 MDU's Boros Aggro vs Esper Mid variant
DE6622156 R2 G1 MDU's Boros Aggro vs Mono U Devo
DE6622156 R2 G2 MDU's Boros Aggro vs Mono U Devo
DE6622156 R3 G1 MDU's Boros Aggro vs G/R/W Monsters
DE6622156 R3 G2 MDU's Boros Aggro vs G/R/W Monsters
DE6622156 R3 G3 MDU's Boros Aggro vs G/
R/W Monsters
DE6622156 R4 G1MDU's Boros Aggro vs Esper
DE6622156 R4 G2 MDU's Boros Aggro vs Esper
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@ Wipeout - nice report The toughest match up depends on your meta - on MTGO it's Esper Mid.
@ Purp - this is what I'd do.
Rx - LB is a decent strategy as SBD makes up the life pretty quick, take out Chandra, especially if they aren't running many 1 drops.
WW - I'd run Glare over Chandra, especially if they are running Spear.
MonoU -bring in the Charm, 4 to the dome or indestructible creatures in a stand off is better than a 1 drop.
MonoB - run 3 Mortars on the draw, take out 1 Jet
Esper -3 Chain -1 Jet +2 Skullcrack +2 Boros Charm. I don't bring in Glare. if I did I'd drop 2 more Jets
GR Monsters - 1 Charm in
@ Purp - this is what I'd do.
Rx - LB is a decent strategy as SBD makes up the life pretty quick, take out Chandra, especially if they aren't running many 1 drops.
WW - I'd run Glare over Chandra, especially if they are running Spear.
MonoU -bring in the Charm, 4 to the dome or indestructible creatures in a stand off is better than a 1 drop.
MonoB - run 3 Mortars on the draw, take out 1 Jet
Esper -3 Chain -1 Jet +2 Skullcrack +2 Boros Charm. I don't bring in Glare. if I did I'd drop 2 more Jets
GR Monsters - 1 Charm in
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Great videos. Everyone@ Wipeout - nice report The toughest match up depends on your meta - on MTGO it's Esper Mid.
@ Purp - this is what I'd do.
Rx - LB is a decent strategy as SBD makes up the life pretty quick, take out Chandra, especially if they aren't running many 1 drops.
WW - I'd run Glare over Chandra, especially if they are running Spear.
MonoU -bring in the Charm, 4 to the dome or indestructible creatures in a stand off is better than a 1 drop.
MonoB - run 3 Mortars on the draw, take out 1 Jet
Esper -3 Chain -1 Jet +2 Skullcrack +2 Boros Charm. I don't bring in Glare. if I did I'd drop 2 more Jets
GR Monsters - 1 Charm in
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Disclaimer: This is not me at my finest. I had a bad day at work and am feeling pretty terrible. This is also the finals. Please forgive the multitude of play mistakes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR7kQ6tLMnU
Ok, so I'm obviously on the right.
@ 0:55
I thought about just attacking with the satyr, but I decided to advance the board instead. I think this was the correct choice.
@ 1:25
I get blow out by Advent. I was unfamiliar with his deck and wasn't sure if he was running it. I took the chance, and it bit me. Ouch.
@2:00
I scry and see a Chain on top.
@4:00
Golgari Charm keeps him alive.
@4:42
Topdeck Chandra FTW.
@6:38
I expected Advent at EoT so I played Reckoner and hoped he didn't have hard removal.
@6:50
He did.
@7:55
I Glare the Voice since the
stupid Wurm Token is Green, instead of GW like it should be.
@8:14
Abrupt Decay ruins my day.
@8:55
Life is low enough I need to block.
@9:25
Scry, Chained on top, still in this thing.
@9:39
WLH the Voice token.
@ 10:00
Trostani!?
@10:40
Dragon knocks him down to 12.
@10:50
Whip He goes to 14, I go to 3. At this point, I need to leave up two blockers since he has creatures in the GY.
@13:05
I attack with Phoenix rather than Dragon because I don't want him gaining life if he attacks me with Trostani / Voice / whatever else was in the Yard. In hindsight, this was a mistake.
@13:41
Merciless Eviction! Nooooo!
@15:57
Magma Jet to recur phoenix. This is the final mistake that costs me the match. When I scry, I seem Magma Jet and dragon. I stack it Dragon on top, Magma Jet second from top. I didn't expect my attack to connect (at which point burn is lethal) and I though Dragon was
a better follow up. That was just the wrong decision. He didn't have removal and my attacks connect.
@16:32
Shadowborn demon
@17:10
I have a brain fart and forget all his creatures have lifelink. I think I'm attacking for lethal, I'm really just throwing away the game.
Rest of the video
Me tilting lol.
For some reason, G3 didn't get posted. I drew horribly and he had the nuts.
I wish this was a video of me winning, but sadly it shows my flaws. Hope this was useful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR7kQ6tLMnU
Ok, so I'm obviously on the right.
@ 0:55
I thought about just attacking with the satyr, but I decided to advance the board instead. I think this was the correct choice.
@ 1:25
I get blow out by Advent. I was unfamiliar with his deck and wasn't sure if he was running it. I took the chance, and it bit me. Ouch.
@2:00
I scry and see a Chain on top.
@4:00
Golgari Charm keeps him alive.
@4:42
Topdeck Chandra FTW.
@6:38
I expected Advent at EoT so I played Reckoner and hoped he didn't have hard removal.
@6:50
He did.
@7:55
I Glare the Voice since the
stupid Wurm Token is Green, instead of GW like it should be.
@8:14
Abrupt Decay ruins my day.
@8:55
Life is low enough I need to block.
@9:25
Scry, Chained on top, still in this thing.
@9:39
WLH the Voice token.
@ 10:00
Trostani!?
@10:40
Dragon knocks him down to 12.
@10:50
Whip He goes to 14, I go to 3. At this point, I need to leave up two blockers since he has creatures in the GY.
@13:05
I attack with Phoenix rather than Dragon because I don't want him gaining life if he attacks me with Trostani / Voice / whatever else was in the Yard. In hindsight, this was a mistake.
@13:41
Merciless Eviction! Nooooo!
@15:57
Magma Jet to recur phoenix. This is the final mistake that costs me the match. When I scry, I seem Magma Jet and dragon. I stack it Dragon on top, Magma Jet second from top. I didn't expect my attack to connect (at which point burn is lethal) and I though Dragon was
a better follow up. That was just the wrong decision. He didn't have removal and my attacks connect.
@16:32
Shadowborn demon
@17:10
I have a brain fart and forget all his creatures have lifelink. I think I'm attacking for lethal, I'm really just throwing away the game.
Rest of the video
Me tilting lol.
For some reason, G3 didn't get posted. I drew horribly and he had the nuts.
I wish this was a video of me winning, but sadly it shows my flaws. Hope this was useful.
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Thanks J_SGreat videos. Everyone please, like, comment, subscribe. Help a redbro out.@ Wipeout - nice report The toughest match up depends on your meta - on MTGO it's Esper Mid.
@ Purp - this is what I'd do.
Rx - LB is a decent strategy as SBD makes up the life pretty quick, take out Chandra, especially if they aren't running many 1 drops.
WW - I'd run Glare over Chandra, especially if they are running Spear.
MonoU -bring in the Charm, 4 to the dome or indestructible creatures in a stand off is better than a 1 drop.
MonoB - run 3 Mortars on the draw, take out 1 Jet
Esper -3 Chain -1
Jet +2 Skullcrack +2 Boros Charm. I don't bring in Glare. if I did I'd drop 2 more Jets
GR Monsters - 1 Charm in
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@J_S - Thanks for posting the vid Yes, it's helpful, I love watching each other play regardless of the result. I really admire that you are so open about your strengths and weaknesses as a player And on the bright side you made the final and only lost to a mistake that you saw and won't make again, hopefully
P.S. Typically janky Japanese built deck you have to there too!
P.S. Typically janky Japanese built deck you have to there too!
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Hey guys, new here. Just finished 4-1 for 3rd at a 33 person FNM with this list. Really liking the addition of WLH. I want to try to find a spot for 1 more main, since my meta is pretty aggro heavy. Thinking about dropping another Satyr. I'm also wondering if the right move for my LGS would be to just pre-sideboard into a more control oriented build, and leave the one-drops in the board for Mono-B and friends.
Only loss of the night was against the other 4-0 Mono U player, its a tough matchup.
Thanks for all the tips in this thread everyone!
[Deck]
Lands 25
11 Mountain
2 Boros Guildgate
4 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
Creatures 18
2 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Ash Zealot
4 Stormbreath Dragon
Spells 17
3 Chained to the Rocks
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Warleader's Helix
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
Sideboard 15
1 Chained to the
Rocks
2 Assemble the Legion
2 Mizzium Mortars
3 Boros Reckoner
2 Last Breath
3 Skullcrack
2 Firedrinker Satyr
[/Deck]
Only loss of the night was against the other 4-0 Mono U player, its a tough matchup.
Thanks for all the tips in this thread everyone!
[Deck]
Lands 25
11 Mountain
2 Boros Guildgate
4 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
Creatures 18
2 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Ash Zealot
4 Stormbreath Dragon
Spells 17
3 Chained to the Rocks
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Warleader's Helix
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
Sideboard 15
1 Chained to the
Rocks
2 Assemble the Legion
2 Mizzium Mortars
3 Boros Reckoner
2 Last Breath
3 Skullcrack
2 Firedrinker Satyr
[/Deck]
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I've been MIA for awhile, seems like Esper Aggro has really picked up pace again....
Thoughts on: Renounce the Guilds over glare? It hits Dsphere and Ghost Dad, assuming Cartel Aristocrat and Lyev Skyknight stay dead. Celestial Flare or Explosive Impact seem cute as well.
Placing an emphasis on burn g1 works as well (Shocks or Annihilating Fire MD) this happens to improve a string of other MUs as well so its not bad.
I'm not sure if I can make the Champs (or if I already missed it) but I'll try and revise the list or be creative with the SB which may or may not help you guys out.
Thoughts on: Renounce the Guilds over glare? It hits Dsphere and Ghost Dad, assuming Cartel Aristocrat and Lyev Skyknight stay dead. Celestial Flare or Explosive Impact seem cute as well.
Placing an emphasis on burn g1 works as well (Shocks or Annihilating Fire MD) this happens to improve a string of other MUs as well so its not bad.
I'm not sure if I can make the Champs (or if I already missed it) but I'll try and revise the list or be creative with the SB which may or may not help you guys out.
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I don't have a wealth of knowledge on the matter of esper aggro but I haven't lost to it yet with pyrodragons and boros aggro. Celestial flare and explosive impact are probably uncastable. Renounce the guilds seems alright but I've been able to push through it every time and I'm not sure how good RtG is against other matchups. I much rather prefer Glare of Heresy and wear//tear for esper aggro and just glare in general. I've been very impressed with glare since just hitting dsphere is really strong.
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Thinking on MDU's burn comments and considering the current MTGO meta what are everyone's thoughts on PyroDragons Vs Boros Aggro - Pyro is better against Esper Aggro, at least as good against MonoB, MonoU and UW which is 65% of the meta.
Working from MDU's latest Aggro list and my latest Pyro list you'd lose 2 Dragons, 2 Helix and 2 land MD for 3 YP and 3 Shock/Fire/FotF or 2YP and 4 burn spells. In the SB you lose Boros Charm, which I'm always a bit underwhelmed by anyway, for the 3rd SBD and the extra Mountain to cast it or you could keep 1 Charm and lose Assemble Vs MonoB as you have YP and his token army, hopefully
Maybe that's too extreme a shift and the MD Helix in Boros Aggro could be switched for Shock or
Fire to improve the Esper match up - lower CMC helps us in the early game - as the longer the clock ticks in this match up the worse our chances are?
EDIT I'm not a fan of Renounce (not targeted, easy to work around once they know you have it) or Celestial Flare (hard to cast, not targeted) over Glare (more flexible, targeted) but I like Explosive Impact! 5 damage! The CMC might prove prohibitive but it's never a dead draw and it's a very nice TD late game Due to my relative newbie status I'd never even seen the card before so I just grabbed 4 from a freebot
EDIT I forgot to mention that Pedros suggested running a copy of Chandra's Outrage in the SB, possibly over the 4th Mortars - kills BB at instant speed, great synergy with Phoenix. I quite like
the idea. Thoughts anyone?
@ MDU - welcome back! Your post has inspired me and I'm looking at lots of new options with fresh invigorated eyes now!
Working from MDU's latest Aggro list and my latest Pyro list you'd lose 2 Dragons, 2 Helix and 2 land MD for 3 YP and 3 Shock/Fire/FotF or 2YP and 4 burn spells. In the SB you lose Boros Charm, which I'm always a bit underwhelmed by anyway, for the 3rd SBD and the extra Mountain to cast it or you could keep 1 Charm and lose Assemble Vs MonoB as you have YP and his token army, hopefully
Maybe that's too extreme a shift and the MD Helix in Boros Aggro could be switched for Shock or
Fire to improve the Esper match up - lower CMC helps us in the early game - as the longer the clock ticks in this match up the worse our chances are?
EDIT I'm not a fan of Renounce (not targeted, easy to work around once they know you have it) or Celestial Flare (hard to cast, not targeted) over Glare (more flexible, targeted) but I like Explosive Impact! 5 damage! The CMC might prove prohibitive but it's never a dead draw and it's a very nice TD late game Due to my relative newbie status I'd never even seen the card before so I just grabbed 4 from a freebot
EDIT I forgot to mention that Pedros suggested running a copy of Chandra's Outrage in the SB, possibly over the 4th Mortars - kills BB at instant speed, great synergy with Phoenix. I quite like
the idea. Thoughts anyone?
@ MDU - welcome back! Your post has inspired me and I'm looking at lots of new options with fresh invigorated eyes now!
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Pyrodragon gives you an edge vs Bx and Esper Aggro of they don't hit shrivel, though you pay for this advantage with a weaker UW, Ux Devotion, Rx Devo, Gx Devo, GW MU.
Both list are capable of beating all the above, I think it really just comes down to preference - whenever I play Boros Aggro I miss not having Shock MD while with PyroDragon I tend to miss not hitting Dragons and the smooth(er) land drops.
Both list are capable of beating all the above, I think it really just comes down to preference - whenever I play Boros Aggro I miss not having Shock MD while with PyroDragon I tend to miss not hitting Dragons and the smooth(er) land drops.
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Well thought out as always I'm not sure I agree that Ux Devo is a worse match up for PyroDragon though, the MD Shocks are really good here.
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I'm switching from pyroskies to big boros for the LGS win a box tournament tomorrow. I'll miss YP$, but I think Big Boros is better positioned for the local meta (R/x devotion, G/x devotion, GW).
One tweak I'm considering is adding a 3rd Chandra either main or SB. With 25 lands I should be able to cast her consistently on turn 4 and with that many lands I like the idea of having more card draw. Interested to hear people's thoughts on this.
MDU- any chance you could post your SB plan for the current 75? Thanks
One tweak I'm considering is adding a 3rd Chandra either main or SB. With 25 lands I should be able to cast her consistently on turn 4 and with that many lands I like the idea of having more card draw. Interested to hear people's thoughts on this.
MDU- any chance you could post your SB plan for the current 75? Thanks
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I never really wrote down my SB plans for the Boros Aggro list because I keep changing it all the time I'll suggesting watching my recent videosI'm switching from pyroskies to big boros for the LGS win a box tournament tomorrow. I'll miss YP$, but I think Big Boros is better positioned for the local meta (R/x devotion, G/x devotion, GW).
One tweak I'm considering is adding a 3rd Chandra either main or SB. With 25 lands I should be able to cast her consistently on turn 4 and with that many lands I like the idea of having more card draw. Interested to hear people's thoughts on this.
MDU- any chance you could post your SB plan for the current 75? Thanks
and copying down the SB plan which I use (it will give me extra money when you watch them so that helps).
I don't think you want the 3rd Chandra if your meta is infested with R/x devotion, G/x devotion and GW since I'll just board her out, anyhow the only MU which I havn't record live from your top3 is GW so here is what I'll do against GW:
In:
1 Chained to the Rocks
2 Glare of Heresy
2 Mizzium Mortars
3 Boros Reckoner
Out:
2 Firedrinker Satyr
2 Chandra, Pyromaster or 2 Magma Jet
4 Rakdos Cackler
GW is a resource war, you don't need to force damage so don't kill everything in sight it doesn't even matter if they deal 19 damage because they have no burns so what matters in this MU is your ability to plan your removals very carefully.
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Went 5-0-1 at FNM losing only one game the entire night with this:
[deck]
Creatures (19)
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's Phoenix
3 Skynight Legionnaire
Spells (18)
3 Chained to the Rocks
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
4 Boros Charm
3 Chandra, Pyromaster
Lands (23)
3 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
2 Boros Guildgate
10 Mountain
Sideboard (15)
1 Chained to the Rocks
1 Glare of Heresy
2 Last Breath
4 Mizzium Mortars
4 Skullcrack
2 Peak Eruption
1 Assemble the Legion
[/deck]
Beat mono black, mono black, GW, mono red, and mono red after drawing into top 8. Assemble won me game two against GW as I banked on him not having enchantment removal after not seeing my Chains game one. The rest of the matches were rather straightforward. I just blitzed mono black and controlled mono red.
I have no idea why I stopped playing three Chandra and went down to
two, but I don't think I'll do that again. I was happy to see her every game.
[deck]
Creatures (19)
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's Phoenix
3 Skynight Legionnaire
Spells (18)
3 Chained to the Rocks
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
4 Boros Charm
3 Chandra, Pyromaster
Lands (23)
3 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
2 Boros Guildgate
10 Mountain
Sideboard (15)
1 Chained to the Rocks
1 Glare of Heresy
2 Last Breath
4 Mizzium Mortars
4 Skullcrack
2 Peak Eruption
1 Assemble the Legion
[/deck]
Beat mono black, mono black, GW, mono red, and mono red after drawing into top 8. Assemble won me game two against GW as I banked on him not having enchantment removal after not seeing my Chains game one. The rest of the matches were rather straightforward. I just blitzed mono black and controlled mono red.
I have no idea why I stopped playing three Chandra and went down to
two, but I don't think I'll do that again. I was happy to see her every game.
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