Theros Pantheon Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Victory

[rcwraspy]

Rez, are you town this game?

Yes.
Are you?

Yep.

[imopen2]

Wraith, where is your claim? You should probably look "mafia claim" up so you know why that means.

Red, are you scum?

[Wraith223]

By the way, what can I give as evidence that I am town in such early game of nothing but Zem BS (missunderstood me) and Iso (one post of "are you serious" and crap piggy back trap with Void?

[Wraith223]

Wraith, where is your claim? You should probably look "mafia claim" up so you know why that means.

Red, are you scum?

Roleblocker. It is sad I had to give that away to stay alive.

[rcwraspy]

Iso, saying that you saw what Void was doing to get a second vote is BS as void and you could be working together.

How do you envision them working together, exactly?

Why not have roles that indicate scum on 1 or 2? It's just a theory I have and thought about since I noticed the chractors playing them.

Do you mean 1 or 2 flavor roles being "true" to their nature? You may end up being right, who knows, but what's scummy is that you're focusing on flavor in Day1 when we know next to nothing about the setup yet. All we know are our God names and that Stardust said there are 3 dayvigs in the signup thread. I think it's best to approach the game as if it had no flavor until something indicates that
flavor matters at all.

Ignoring your wild "Thassa steals things" speculation, what's wrong with Iso's post about you? Are you town, Wraith? Convince us.

PEDIT: A couple posts since I typed this, but will leave it unedited.

[rcwraspy]

By the way, what can I give as evidence that I am town in such early game of nothing but Zem BS (missunderstood me) and Iso (one post of "are you serious" and crap piggy back trap with Void?

For starters, you could poke holes in what Iso said about you without just hand-waving it as "BS".

[Wraith223]

Yes...I am town. Any information given to me is something and more than I had. Stardust said something stole the sword and left non alive. Stardust did not say how they died, but said they died with out notice. If i can't pick through the town right now for scum cause so many are good liers; I need to solve how the crime occured in relation to the chractors present.

[rezombad]

I need to solve how the crime occured in relation to the chractors present.

This game that you're trying to play isn't mafia

[Void]

Flings mud. Check.
Didn't claim when promoted too. Check
Attacks everyone on his wagon. Check.
Claims Role Blocker in a simple (Basic like) setup. Check.
Flavor gaming rather than Scum hunting. Check.

Please lynch this guy already. (Wraith that is)

[rcwraspy]

Wraith, you said this is your 3rd game. You and I are in one right now that's on-going and we can't discuss it. What's the other?

[Wraith223]

Vote DroppinSuga for not counter voting Red or responding to him properly.

Also watching Ham as he was seems to bandwagon with DroppinSuga against Zem. It would be an easy mind game to get Zem lynched day one without raising suspicion.

Are you being serious right now? Yes, I find both are talking in an easy manner that indicates comfort without suspision

[quote=&
quot;Wraith223 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:46 pm"]Vote DroppinSuga for not counter voting Red or responding to him properly.

Also watching Ham as he was seems to bandwagon with DroppinSuga against Zem. It would be an easy mind game to get Zem lynched day one without raising suspicion.

Red never voted for suga.

He certainly tried. Red failed to bold type

Watch Ham and Suga in their responses to each other from now on. I think there might be a team set up there. Every other post is rather blah or just water testing.

And...the connections you have drawn between them are...where, exactly? They seem
to be comfortable talking without suspicion and I am not asking for a vote, but rather consideration in later opinions.

Also, why would you announce to everyone to keep their interactions under scrutiny? Now they're not going to post anything incriminating if they are, in fact, both scum. If their reactions change to silent; the I have some direction. If the continue; it being ignored or they are town.

If only I were a day cop this game...

Vote Wraith223

He's funny. Too funny...

OK? What made me scum to you? Being hyper aggresive will only get you lynched or other town lynched. Think you would have learned that by now.

I just asked that others not bandwagon lynch you till you post content and your first reaction is to vote me? Interesting. I could conclude that you are working with Suga and Ham to create a false bandwagon inorder to gain trust to lynch town that try use logic. The other theory I have is that you talk a load a shit at first to make everyone think you are crazy aggressive in order to knock folks off balance. Am I funny now?

Please tell me you're not serious. Yes am serious jerk. That's how I think.

HAHAHAHA.

Got exactly what I was looking for.

What, specifically, do you not like about wraith's reaction?

Why do you presume he doesn't like Wraith's reaction? I got the exact opposite impression from reading his post.

Yeah, like I said, I got exactly the reaction I expected. Your reading comprehension this game hasn't been good.

I don't have to Unvote an RVS vote. Not everyone does.

Does this mean you now have a town read on Wraith?

unvote Ham

After further study, the vote is unwarrented now.

See you all tommarrow.

...based on? Are
you going to share any of your RELEVANT thoughts on the game at all? Or just spew the ones that are nonsensical? DroppinSuga's further posts were townish in my view and I vote on evidene I can find not whims. What a jerk question.

Yeah, I know who is Town in RVS....uh no.

I like that your ploy is to play on the tension of my unvoting; if I were to Unvote now you'd say I felt pressured to do so; as I have t you think you can make a case of it. Thing is we both know lots of people don't unvote from RVS.

If that's really all you've got you're even worse at this than I thought.

So if you liked Wraith's reaction to you, but you don't think he's scum, yet you're voting for him still, but now you don't think he's town...

Yeah, something's not adding up, here.

[b:
3ei2r7ka]Unvote, Vote zemanjaski[/b]

The wraith interaction was entirely to get responses (from Wraith, but look what happened). Wraith reacted exactly as anyone would expect to my vote on him, but I wanted to push his buttons a bit and see what happened; he then came up with a bunch of loose theories, which is now info for later. I need him to clarify the vig comment though; that looks like PR fishing to me (we know there are multiple vigs in the game, SD said so in the sign up).

What use do you see said info being later, exactly?

Also, where did you see this information in the sign-up thread?

Suga seems town to me, he called on rez to stop
lurking and gave a possible reason for your RVS having scum motivation.

Rez I don't know, not familiar with his style yet.

Buttmad Mafia shall henceforth continue

This hardly qualifies as content. Are you planning on contributing any time soon?

I was just wondering if it was some sort of meta call

This seems nervous.

Why are you nervous, Red?

Unvote
Vote: Iso

I think I know what you'
re doing, here.

Looking at the list, I noticed ISO is Thassa. I wonder if the names in the game have any special meaning or results. She could make a player unblockable to steal said sword that killed Xenogas.
unvote Tubehunter as that was just a perry vote.

vote Iso to hear response.

Looks like someone bit. I did not bite, I vote based on evidence and you know that. You could be runing a quick lynch set up here with void. Piggy back style sir

Unvote, Vote Wraith

Let's lynch this guy. zemanjaski can wait.[/quote]

So many jumped on your banwagon without thinkning anything through.

@Rcwraspy, the Russian Roulette one recently.
@Void, eat a dick...you are scum.

[rcwraspy]

I'm not going to try to quote within that format, and I don't want to post a huge wall, so-

Wraith, you said: DroppinSuga's further posts were townish in my view and I vote on evidene I can find not whims.

Can you break that down? In what way were they townish.

Also, what's your full T/S list right now?

@All: I liked a lot of what Wraith said there. It seems more genuine to me, and while I have no reason to agree with some of his thoughts, at least I know where they're coming from now. How about you all?

[rcwraspy]

@Rcwraspy, the Russian Roulette one recently.

Just did a quick read-through of Russian Roulette.

Didn't need to - that wasn't a game of mafia, and Wraith died day 1. He was a hell of a lot more jovial than this game so far, but it was a completely different format.

[RedNihilist]

For the guys who asked: I'm not nervous and I'm not scum

Flings mud. Check.
Didn't claim when promoted too. Check
Attacks everyone on his wagon. Check.
Claims Role Blocker in a simple (Basic like) setup. Check.
Flavor gaming rather than Scum hunting. Check.

Please lynch this guy already. (Wraith that is)

Excuse me, sir, can you please explain the bolded quote?

[Wraith223]

I'm not going to try to quote within that format, and I don't want to post a huge wall, so-

Wraith, you said: DroppinSuga's further posts were townish in my view and I vote on evidene I can find not whims.

Can you break that down? In what way were they townish.

Also, what's your full T/S list right now?

@All: I liked a lot of what Wraith said there. It seems more genuine to me, and while I have no reason to agree with some of his thoughts, at least I know where they're coming from now. How about you all?

Suga-
Post 9, He tries to underhand, bandwagon Zem. I was looking for that as it is easy to do as Zem is loaded with pomp.
Post 12, Ham joins bt does no recognize Suga.
Posts 24 and 26, more wagon and joking, Tries to add
steam for quick lynching me or Zem.
Post 51 and 52, asked about lurking and Rez to join in, Townish
Post 58, more truth in this question as page 1 seems to be a feel good session. More townish
Post 89, unvotes Zem cause it's just open game BS
Post 102 and later posts- he reminds me I that my nuts are about to be cut, questioning town response to check to not waste a vote
He votes me anyway based on his own vote call.

Town
Suga
Red
Rez
Tubehunter

Null
Rcwraspy
Captian Murphy
Witchhunt
Iamopen2
Ham

Scum
Zem (weak)
Iso (strong)
Void (Strong)

[zemanjaski]

Only a brief post today, sorry fellas.

I actually think Z may be a decent target. He should know that wraith is just a bit crazy in Mafia. Seems like he's hoping for an easy day one mislynch.

This is the only clearly Town motivated post so far.

At the same time, Suga also should know how YOU come out of the gates in these games, Z. For the very same reason that you might be scum for picking on Wraith,
Suga might be scum for this post.

unvote Void

RVS ends so quickly with Z in the game.

Fair point, I do enjoy my approach very much at least. I still feel that overall, Suga has been Town motivated this game.

If only I were a day cop this game...

Vote Wraith223

He's funny. Too funny...

Here you say that you wish for a day kill ability. I recognize that Vigiliante or cop could perform day kill abilities. Duh.

I clearly do not ask for a day kill ability[/u]. Note that even after other players corrected him, he persists with this line of argument. For example:

I think it's time for Wraith to defend himself legitimately. He's got to be close.

Sadly, I agree. I tested Droppin Suga for response which pretty much ignored and later posted clean in my view. I did the same on Ham, and found nothing but odd interactions with Suga. Zem found some odd reason to prod me and I responded in kind. He missunderstood by roole plyer ID comment and tried to claim I was scum on that. He said he wanted to day kill someone in an underhanded way which was ignored by everyone?

I think Zem is being to aggressive and trying to gain bandwagon votes. He knows that my vote calls are more evidence based, thus throwing mudd is a scum tactic to strip credibility away from me.

Vote Zemanjaski

After to close reading, I mistook Ham for Zem in posts. Zem was not bandwagoning. Cop and Vigilante are both can perform day kill as I recall, thus that was my point of Zem wanting to day kill someone with an underhanded statement.
No sir. I don't bandwagon as you claim. I present evidence and give my vote. As for Red coming to defend me, I think he was responding to the prolix of zem and asking for a mature read on me.

Can a more experienced player chime in here - is failure to read closely more likely Town or Scum?

I don't think we have heard from Captiam Murphy. He better talk as he looking as a lurker so far.

UNVOTE ZEM
He needs to run out of steam and start posting real content.

I am glad Tubehunter found my bandwagon point false as my Ipad sucks to use with this website (It cutts off the page sometimes and am still learning how to use it). Although he was very overagrressive in his attack on me instead of just asking me why.

Return Fire! VOTE TUBEHUNTER

OMGUS.

Looking at the list, I noticed ISO is Thassa. I wonder if the names in the game have any special meaning or results. She could make a player unblockable to steal said sword that killed Xenogas.
unvote
Tubehunter as that was just a perry vote.

vote Iso to hear response.

WTF.

These are ISO quotes for now, but I don't want to mess up the post by screwing up the formatting (sorry, not good with code):

Yeah, like I said, I got exactly the reaction I expected. Your reading comprehension this game hasn't been good.

I don't have to Unvote an RVS vote. Not everyone does.

Does this mean you now have a town read on Wraith?

Not at all. I haven't played much with Wraith, so I only have limited impression of him under pressure. My vote on him in RVS was exactly that, an RVS vote, and the way reacted got my attention. His posting immediately after was OK, but I ended up leaving my vote on him to see what he did, and to see what else
might happen. Since then, his posts have become more and more strange, so i am quite comfortable leaving the vote on him now obviously.

Yeah, I know who is Town in RVS....uh no.

I like that your ploy is to play on the tension of my unvoting; if I were to Unvote now you'd say I felt pressured to do so; as I have t you think you can make a case of it. Thing is we both know lots of people don't unvote from RVS.

If that's really all you've got you're even worse at this than I thought.

So if you liked Wraith's reaction to you, but you don't think he's scum, yet you're voting for him still, but now you don't think he's town...

Yeah, something's not adding up, here.

Unvote, Vote zemanjaski

See above, I don't see a need to unvote; we're fresh
out of RVS at that point and having the vote on him was getting a reaction. How many people make such a detailed response to an RVS vote as he did to mine? Leaving it on him, especially after he didn't like it, seemed like a good way to get an even bigger reaction from him. If he had responded more thoughtfully, I would have then unvoted. And besides, at least for me, the entire play means I can broadly clear Rez (at least for now).

The wraith interaction was entirely to get responses (from Wraith, but look what happened). Wraith reacted exactly as anyone would expect to my vote on him, but I wanted to push his buttons a bit and see what happened; he then came up with a bunch of loose theories, which is now info for later. I need him to clarify the vig comment though; that looks like PR fishing to me (we know there are multiple
vigs in the game, SD said so in the sign up).

What use do you see said info being later, exactly?

Also, where did you see this information in the sign-up thread?

Funny I had already explained the play but you were asking me about it anyway Oh well. The big one is his comment about me trying to create a bandwagon. Now, he goes on to tell Tube and others that he was talking about Ham; but he had directly quoted me before making the comment: viewtopic.php?p=171360#p171360

So it was clearly in response to me. Coupled with his "am I funny now?" which I think was meant to be read in a threatening manner; seemed way too defensive to me. If he hadn't gone and imploded, his suggestion of the scum team being me + suga + ham would have
been something I could delve into with him further.

See Rezombad's posts for the vig comment.

Suga seems town to me, he called on rez to stop lurking and gave a possible reason for your RVS having scum motivation.

Rez I don't know, not familiar with his style yet.

Buttmad Mafia shall henceforth continue

This hardly qualifies as content. Are you planning on contributing any time soon?

This is about the maximum level of Ham involvement, sorry.

Anyone think that our roles are indications of who scum might be?

No. If the game could be solved by voting for 'whoever the "bad" gods are' it wouldn't be much of a game.

Your rolefishing is totes not legit.

Your flailing is totes not legit.

You not claiming is totes not legit.

Pretty much this. I don't like the way Wraith has reacted at all.

[Void]

@Wraith:
Go eat your mom's dirty fucking pussy and then choke on that nasty ass cum bitch.

[RedNihilist]

Hi Void, care to answer questions?

[DroppinSuga]

RedNihilist, are you town this game?

[hamfactorial]

@Wraith:
Go eat your mom's dirty fucking pussy and then choke on that nasty ass cum bitch.

What's this about? This seems wildly out of place. Are you trying to get a specific reaction or is this really Buttmad Mafia?

[Wraith223]

Hi Void, care to answer questions?

I am not sure Void is capable of answering of answering a question beyond a durp response. He basically piggy backed Iso without any rational beyond me getting irratated with single cell responses.

@Zem, I dont what ele to say since most from you cocky stunt antics and you are never satisfied from anyones response.
You know my standings and they are weak at best due to early game. Who do are your standings so far?

[RedNihilist]

RedNihilist, are you town this game?

Yup.

[zemanjaski]

@Void, eat a dick...you are scum.

Seriously though Ham, if you could post actual analysis / content instead of just giving the appearance of been busy, well that would be fucking awesome.

[RedNihilist]

I swear I promised to myself to remember how playing with Void went last time, yet I find the way he ignores questions very annoying.

[zemanjaski]

Hi Void, care to answer questions?

I am not sure Void is capable of answering of answering a question beyond a durp response. He basically piggy backed Iso without any rational beyond me getting irratated with single cell responses.

@Zem, I dont what ele to say since most from you cocky stunt antics and you are never satisfied from anyones response.
You know my standings and they are weak at best due to early game. Who do are your standings so far?

I put
barely any on you and look how you've reacted. But yes, you never had a chance to look innocent, you poor unfortunate darling.

Also, it would seem to me that you're not really reading the thread, as I have since stated multiple times that I have Suga and Rez for likely Town, and now you for likely Scum. Good luck!

[Wraith223]

Hi Void, care to answer questions?

I am not sure Void is capable of answering of answering a question beyond a durp response. He basically piggy backed Iso without any rational beyond me getting irratated with single cell responses.

@Zem, I dont what ele to say since most from you cocky stunt antics and you are never satisfied from anyones response.
You know my standings and they are weak at best due to early game. Who do are your standings so far?

I put barely any on you and look how you've reacted. But yes, you never had a chance to look innocent, you poor unfortunate darling. Wow... ...this how you must feel all the time.

Also, it would seem to me that you're not really reading the thread, as I have since stated multiple times that I have Suga and Rez for likely Town, and now you for likely Scum. Good luck!

We agree on two thing then.

[zemanjaski]

This is why we want to lynch you. You're not making a case for being Town.

[Wraith223]

What the hell my laptop keeps skipping typing and stupid auto correcting words.

I just said earlier that my ability is Rolestopper. My spear stops night kills. What else do you want?

[zemanjaski]

Why did you persist in saying that I "wished for a day kill ability" when:
1. I clearly didn't
2. Others pointed out to you that I didn't

How could you confuse Ham and I when you were quoting me before responding?

[zemanjaski]

And wouldn't your ability be "Roleblocker"? And that's not what the role does.

[Wraith223]

And wouldn't your ability be "Roleblocker"? And that's not what the role does.

"If only I were a day cop this game..."
That's is you. I interpret that as wanting to day kill.

My ability nukes a players ability besides voting. Roleblocker seems appropriate to me. I finally get an ability, and it looks like I won't get to use it. Figures.

[Wraith223]

edit: Rolestopper and Roleblocker - same thing!

[zemanjaski]

As has been explained to you multiple times in the game, a day cop doesn't have the ability to kill another player. And unlike everyone else, you don't seem to realize it was a joke referring to another game.

You're fucking dense.

[Wraith223]

As has been explained to you multiple times in the game, a day cop doesn't have the ability to kill another player. And unlike everyone else, you don't seem to realize it was a joke referring to another game.

You're fucking dense.

I just looked it up more indepth. Damn it. Why did you say that anyway?

[Wraith223]

Well, I don't have anything else to give since nothing else can be offered. I can help town by shutting down abilities during night of one player. If no one else shares any of my opinion and wants to defend me some; that would be great. To many are bandwagoning early game and asking for more answers from me for being town than I have to offer than what was said. Have to shut down for the night. Hope I am still here tomarrow.

[zemanjaski]

I joke around and randomly lean on people until I get something tangible.

It doesn't sit well with me that you didn't use the correct role name or state the ability correctly. You're the guy who keeps trying to make mafia like the police shows you like, you know how important a suspect's attention to detail is; and you got wrong both parts of your story when questioned. You only provided accurate info when I pointed out errors.

You're also saying you're only now thinking about what others have said (that a day cop isn't a day kill)

None of this adds up as Town behaviour to me I'm afraid. Can you explain that for me? Thanks.

[WitchHunt]

I'm with Zem on this one, your answers and statements are seemingly in every direction. You tried to pin the theft of the sword on someone's character in an attempt to throw off some of the aggression, but that didn't get you far either. I'm reasonably new to Mafia games as well, but the last time I played Roleblocker was a scum role, so you're in a rather precarious position in my eyes.

[zemanjaski]

Unvote

Only because he's at L-1 and I want his answers. Happy to hammer after his next batch of posts.

[Captain Murphy]

Yeah lets lynch wraith

[Captain Murphy]

fuck all your time zones

Vote Wraith