[BNG] Kiora, the Crashing Wave

[TubeHunter]

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/a ... eature/279

Kiora, the Crashing Wave

2GU
Starting Loyalty: 2

+1 Prevent all damage dealt to or by target permanent your opponent controls
-1 Explore
-5 Emblem with: On your end step, put a 9/9 Kraken Token into play


Thoughts? I like it, but im not sure how good it is.

MAZES END PERHAPS?

[LP, of the Fires]

I hope this is never playable.

[magicdownunder]

Its disgusting, a splash-able Jace for Gu Devotion.

[Keftenk]

Sup Turbo Fog-ish
I hated Venser + Stonehorn Dignitary...now this, ugh. At least it's only 1 permanent lol

EDIT: It's good though for red burn decks that it starts at 2 Loyalty. I'd definitely trade a 4 drop for a 2 drop burn.

[Mcdonalds]

neat a 2 loyalty planeswalker

[Mcdonalds]

Lets spend the next two pages discussing it's playability and then mock ourselves in 5 months

[LP, of the Fires]

Quite talking about magic cards and enjoy Christmas you fucking nerds.

But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if this card turned out as hot garbage, but it does some unique things to get the mind turning.

[Pendulum]

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but when a girl walks in with an
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[Kaitscralt]

I like it, but I also really loved Tamiyo and she didn't see half the play I expected. Too many good blue walkers at any given time.

Kiora is okay. Duno. 2 loyalty is pretty pathetic. Seems good against midrange and nothing else.

[Kazekirimaru]

Four mana and doesn't protect herself from bolt on the turn she hits.

I suppose protect her with a spell and you're golden.

[GoblinWarchief]

At least she's cute. Fish women's are always cute like disney's ariel. Plus, kiora easily gets wet.

[Thrillho]

i didn't realize bertoncini had a sex change and won an invitational.

2 loyalty is really bad with lightning strike and multiple "destroy target planeswalker" cards legal. +1 is fine, -1 is fine, ultimate is great and attainable with the +1 and being "only" -5. 4cc and multiple colors is not the best.

someone builds at tier 3 or better turbo fog deck every year and this card is a natural fit into that. if this card were legal right now it probably wouldn't be that great because so many things put multiple threats in play (master of waves, pack rat, various token generating cards) or have ETB damage effects. whenever someone plays this the opponent will probably ignore it and then promptly lose the game because of it.

it is a good card that i don't think has a home in standard right at this moment which is good because this card is not yet legal in standard. i have no bombastic claims to make
about this card aside from jace is so much better than this as a blue planeswalker so i don't know why you would use this unless your deck has 0 win conditions (but that big jace...) or the +1 and -1 abilities are more important than repeat fact or fiction (which i do think is a real need your deck can have)

[Thrillho]

At least she's cute. Fish women's are always cute like disney's ariel. Plus, kiora easily gets wet.

[Kaitscralt]

Insert comment about Alex

[zemanjaski]

This seems very good to me.

- Protects herself
- Draws cards

It isn't even that unrealistic to ultimate her either; she already protects herself from one threat, you use the rest of your hand to protect her from others; and its only 5 loyalty; Koth went ultimate all the time.

[Kaitscralt]

Koth went to 4 instead of 3 on first go

[zemanjaski]

And Kiora protects herself much better; and is in better colours to protect her...you're bad at this.

[Kaitscralt]

That has nothing to do with the fact that you paired them together because they both ultimate at 5, when that means absolutely nothing unless they share the same starting loyalty

[zemanjaski]

OK pedant, "5 loyalty for an ultimate is much more realistic than most PW ultimates"

Your argument was still to state the text of the card, so I can't take you seriously.

[Kaitscralt]

I stated my opinion of the card earlier in the thread and then returned to make a self-explanatory comment about your Koth comparison not making sense

You responded by talking about how Kiora's abilities are different then Koth's abilities, a point which has nothing to do with your first post yet was supposed to be in defense of it

Dragging hostility into a cool new PW thread is a very neckbeard thing to do for someone who is always claiming to be the least mad

[Kaitscralt]

[zemanjaski]

Don't ever change Kait.

[zemanjaski]

I stated my opinion of the card earlier in the thread and then returned to make a self-explanatory comment about your Koth comparison not making sense

You responded by talking about how Kiora's abilities are different then Koth's abilities, a point which has nothing to do with your first post yet was supposed to be in defense of it

Dragging hostility into a cool new PW thread is a very neckbeard thing to do for someone who is always claiming to be the least mad

The point of listing Kiora's abilities was to demonstrate that she naturally protects herself better than Koth, which supports my earlier contention that she shouldn't be too hard to ultimate. How you don't grasp that is beyond me.

[Kaitscralt]

me so simple

me so scared without jace

[Kaitscralt]

With great math comes great responsibility.

[Link]

I expect great things in proportion to the greatness of this thread

[Helios]

Arguments using logic on the internet = bad.

Comments about arguments using logic on the internet = badder.

Comments on comments = ?

Long posts with no point = PROFIT!

[Wraith223]

Starting Loyalty is a huge downside to me. Pay 4 to drop a land and draw card when top decked and no hand sucks. It is nice to see a fish lady. The protection is ok, but it does little ornothing against untargetable shit or Aetherling. This is a casual/commander appeal card and standard defined material. Se Ral Z. history for this one. I would not pay over the cost of 2 packs for this. Should have cost 1UG or UUG instead.

[Kaitscralt]

Nothing does anything against Aetherling.

[LP, of the Fires]

+Stops mutavault which alone makes the card reasonable. Anything involving aetherling is irrelephant.

[hamfactorial]

+Stops mutavault which alone makes the card reasonable. Anything involving aetherling is irrelephant.

Irrelephant is the best misspelling I've ever seen. My new mission is to find an irrelevant looking elephant and make it a smiley here on DTR.

[Link]

Ral Zarek can't draw cards which was his biggest problem where you would activate him and nothing would happen, I dont see how that comparison is fair

[Kazekirimaru]

I'd rather they just reprint Explore.

[Kaitscralt]

Cuz you're a cheater

[Thrillho]

OK pedant, "5 loyalty for an ultimate is much more realistic than most PW ultimates"

Your argument was still to state the text of the card, so I can't take you seriously.

(5-3)<(5-2)

It does not matter what the number until you can ultimate a planeswalker is, just how many turns it is before you get there and how likely that planeswalker is before it has 0 loyalty before you get there.

It is more realistic to expect a Koth to ultimate because there are two turns between casting and ultimate if you +1 each turn, and because it starts with 4 loyalty the turn you play it.
It is less realistic to expect this card to ultimate because there are three turns between casting and ultimate if you +1 each turn, and because it starts with
3 loyalty the turn you play it.

Caveat to this entire discussion: you cannot judge Planeswalkers on their ultimates or "how likely it is you can ultimate a planeswalker" because there are so many intervening factors not to mention whether or not the ultimate actually wins you the game to contend with.

[Thrillho]

pro the card reads "draw a card" in the text box con you are paying 4 mana for the privilege and also 2 loyalty at 4 mana is so cost.

[LP, of the Fires]

Kiora is more likely to ultimate then koth cause it's blue.

[Kaitscralt]

I don't know, I was at my most active back then and Koth ult'ed more than almost any other printed Planeswalker besides Garruk 1.

[LP, of the Fires]

After typing that, I forgot that koths + actively kills the other guy.

Disregard Kiora, acquire prodigal mountains.

[Kaitscralt]

I still like Kiora, for the art if nothing else. I would keep your eye on her. I would think of her as a new Tamiyo who will see similar levels of play.