Dies To Removal Mafia - Game Over (Mafia Win)

[InflatablePie]

a) claiming at L-2 is for pansies. also drags days out too long.
b) that was a hammer. shall I teach everyone how to count to 6?

[imopen2]

I'm not voting for rcw until he claims.

trying to do my reread of pages 8-9 now

[imopen2]

oh, you guys hammered him without a claim...

wtf, FOS: Pie

[InflatablePie]

oh, quiet you, the day needed to end anyway.

we've already outed a dayvig and a doc today (killing the latter, mind you), the chances of me hammering a PR are so significantly low it's silly. plus, may I point out, had he been a PR and noticed a wagon forming, he would have paid more attention to the wagon. because as a PR, you want to claim before you get near a lynch.

his lack of claim is evident of scum or defeatist townie, and either one is fine.

[InflatablePie]

food for thought, though. before we get the flip, you guys should think of how your reads of me change depending if he flips:
- vanilla
- PR
- scum

and analyze from there.

[Jack]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8JAe30tEs4







Wow, we have a lot of confused/disapproving smilies. That's probably not even
half of them!

He said he was going to post a list of his reads. Stopping him from doing this hurts the town. I was becoming very convinced that he was scum (mostly since it had his name at the bottom of the main page for a long time, but he never showed up in this thread even when there were 4 votes on him), but he can't do anything to hurt town, and we all knew that he was getting lynched by the end of the day anyway.

Oh, and call me a hypocrite (I know you will), but "the day needed to end anyway" is probably the shittiest thing you've posted in this thread.

[zemanjaski]

We lost his list of reads and the reactions to a claim from all the noobs. That hurts town.

Since you must feel you have all the answers Pie, who's the scum team?

[DocLawless]

He said he was going to post a list of his reads. Stopping him from doing this hurts the town. I was becoming very convinced that he was scum (mostly since it had his name at the bottom of the main page for a long time, but he never showed up in this thread even when there were 4 votes on him), but he can't do anything to hurt town, and we all knew that he was getting lynched by the end of the day anyway.

Actually, I was ready to unvote him if his claim and his review post were golden. I'd have been fine with this Day dragging out for another month if that's what it took to bag a mafia player with 100% certainty. We out the dayvig, smoke the Doc, and come night one of us will die. A mislynch really isn't high on my
Christmas list.

[Jack]

food for thought, though. before we get the flip, you guys should think of how your reads of me change depending if he flips:
- vanilla
- PR
- scum

and analyze from there.

If he flips town, I feel like an idiot. Oh, and you earn yourself a spot on the vacancy that he left in my scum list. This may be rash (and possibly stupid, since I have a feeling that you're a better player than to make that obvious of a move, although maybe you think your experience exempts you from players calling you scum because you make one of the most scummy moves possible). PR town, any you become smart scum. If he flips vanilla scum, you're still more scum than you were before you voted. I'd like to read a bit more about the possible PRs for scum
before I make any future judgments about how I would see you if he flips PR scum, and the wiki appears to be down right now.

[DocLawless]

The wiki being down seems to be the running gag for that website.

[zemanjaski]

Well, raspy can still post unless I am mistaken, so anything you want to offer us is greatly appreciated.

[rcwraspy]

We lost his list of reads and the reactions to a claim from all the noobs. That hurts town.

Since you must feel you have all the answers Pie, who's the scum team?

You haven't lost it

I'm unlynchable miller

But by forcing my claim you all probably killed me night one.

[( G_R )]

@Wraith: are you saying that I should post and vote in a way that makes others think of me as townie? Is that how you're doing it?

[( G_R )]

If rcw is unlynchable, does the day continue?

[rcwraspy]

oh, quiet you, the day needed to end anyway.

we've already outed a dayvig and a doc today (killing the latter, mind you), the chances of me hammering a PR are so significantly low it's silly. plus, may I point out, had he been a PR and noticed a wagon forming, he would have paid more attention to the wagon. because as a PR, you want to claim before you get near a lynch.

his lack of claim is evident of scum or defeatist townie, and either one is fine.

Or unlynchable you scummy scum you

[imopen2]

PIE:

Votes G_R in RVS, no reason. I've seen people in other games say that having no reason in your RVS vote makes you

scum a majority of the time. i don't know if this is true or not, and i think both times i've seen it the person

was town, but they were newer players iirc and pie is experienced. not sure if he would make this type of mistake.

Acknowledges freedom "slip" but does not vote him for it. -null

posts a town list at #137, good analysis here, although his resulting read on Zem is scum. i also felt that zem is

scum so this is null to me.

good followup question to me in post #140.

first says GR is scum for ignoring Freedom

calls zem out for his stupid comment re: doc having an "anti-town" response when he had other things to do than

post in this thread. i agree with this, but i am concerned about his whiteknight comment about freedom. i think

freedom
is town but i'm not so sure that i'm going to cut a bitch over it.

read in case of death thing is a positive thing imo

trys to trap Zem with vote on G_R. seems like a weak trap and i'm not sure how much it tells us about Pie so i'll

say it's null

now (post 244) he's trying to get wraith to vote G_R, it honestly sounds like a trap for town at this point.

almost like trying to frame people

now (post 266) he's trying to get stardust to vote with him...this is strange since wasn't the point of the trap to

see if zem and/or wraith were scum that would/would not bus their buddy? wouldn't adding stardust's vote, a strong

town read for you at the time, pie, make any type of "trap" a worthless thing to read?

refuses to discuss rcw as scum. i think i see his point about sticking to one read and not getting distracted, but

could link pie and rcw if rcw flips scum.

dodges another question regarding rcw.

"You'll have your answer eventually, Wraith,
and when I reveal why I'm withholding information it'll all make

sense. Trust me. If I don't deliver, go fetch a noose." Do you have a timetable for when you are going to deliver

on this?

why was zem scum for not voting G_R but wraith and stardust weren't?

oh, i see you addressed the wraith thing later...

pushes Zem hard, gets mad, zem gets daykilled. -null

"Odds and experience. Rarely does a wagon get up to 4 or so on D1 without one scum joining in." who do you think

is the scum on rcw's wagon?

reaction to zem replacing back in seems null. i think it's probably unfair as well.

your opinion of wraith seems to have changed rather quickly. can you explain what changed your mind? why did you

leave him out of your latest rundown of possible lynches? (post 512)

"food for thought, though. before we get the flip, you guys should think of how your reads of me change depending

if he flips:
- vanilla
- PR
- scum

and
analyze from there." i think that if he flips any type of town you could be scum for that hammer, if he

flips scum it's possible bussing as i noted a bit earlier, but closer to null imo.


overall i think you are null but leaning scum for that hammer pending rcw's flip

[rcwraspy]

If rcw is unlynchable, does the day continue?

Yes I verified with Suga when Stardust was the only vote on me. We now have a "lynch" to read from without losing a townie. Bed time now though.

[imopen2]

hmm, unlynchable miller? I am always suspicious of miller claims but if he really is unlynchable then we have nothing else we can do with him toDay. I agree that if he is town, he will be a likely NK target. that may play to our advantage though...

[imopen2]

too late to do G_R tonight. god, this takes a lot of time just to read one person's posts

[Jack]

What does a miller do? And is this a role that us always town?

[Jack]

is*

[rezombad]

A miller will return a guilty result to a cop even though you are town.

Rcw, what is your characters name?

[Jack]

Okay, so town got a miller, a doctor and a vigilante. This seems pretty powerful, and makes me afraid of how much Suga powered up the scum team.

[Jack]

An unlynchable Miller, as three power roles doesn't seem that strong by itself.

[rezombad]

I pretty much dont believe rcw's claim.

[rezombad]

Also a miller is negative value for the town because it makes a cops results unreliable.

[imopen2]

a miller is not a powerful thing, freedom. it is bad for the town to have a miller. it leads the town astray. having it attached to an unlynchable character is interesting, tho. I haven't seen an unlynchable role yet in my handful of games played, and I'm not sure if it is more often a town or a scum role. it seems like it could be town and be balanced by the dayvig, but i think it really could go either way.

[Jack]

So, if raspy 's claim is true, we just made the best possible lynch for Day 1. However, he could easily be lying about the miller thing. He also doesn't have any more reason to get lynched by scum than the rest of us on Night 1, since he can't use his power to help town in any way. He can't be unlynchable scum, since the only way to kill him would be through our vigilante. Since he's town, I don't see any reason for him to lie about being a miller. He already got confirmed town status, so why would the cop want to investigate him in the first place? Ooh, and does having a miller mean that we definitely have a cop as well?

[Jack]

... Meaning that Suga set us up with a vig and a cop, along with a doctor to protect them both. Do we think that he gave the scum anything other than a miller to balance things out?

[zemanjaski]

Does the day continue or do we go to night?

[( G_R )]

Isn't the best possible lynch for day one someone who is actually scum?

[Jack]

Yes, but, assuming Day 1 continues, it is better to have put 6 on raspy before we lynch scum than to lynch scum first.

[InflatablePie]

typically with unlynchables or powers affecting lynches the game should still go to night. depends on the mod I guess?

also I don't think there's an unlynchable scum unless we have another vig, because otherwise rezzy dies tonight and scum can't lose.

most likely scum on rcw's wagon is prob z given that the entire wagon minus Z was the town block.

imopen trying to set me up for the lynching block is lols.

The wiki being down seems to be the running gag for that website.

server's been having trouble the past few days.
From the FB group for the site, 12/13: "[user] is investigating, there is some glitchy piece of hardware making him nuts. (yesterday's downtime was from replacing a different piece
that was going bad). We're in the process of moving servers/physical location and it's causing fits. Plus it means [user] is not on site with the hardware and has to work through techs."

[Jack]

Raspy said that Suga told him that it would stay Day. If he changes his mind on this, he's being a bad mod, since raspy has been playing this whole game under this assumption (which explains why he was so passive about having a wagon begin to form on him rather than try and stop us).

[rezombad]

Raspy said that Suga told him that it would stay Day. If he changes his mind on this, he's being a bad mod, since raspy has been playing this whole game under this assumption (which explains why he was so passive about having a wagon begin to form on him rather than try and stop us).

What.








What?









WHAT?
The.
Absolute.
Fuck.

vote freedom

If rcw is unlynchable, its probably an x-shot. So tomorrow rcw should be run up first. Scum team is freedom, rcw, x. These statements are fact.

[zemanjaski]

I am at work so maybe not at my sharpest, but what is so bad about his statement? Not that I need much incentive to vote Freedom if his lynch is on the table, i've been calling him on scum tells forever.

Does x-lynch proof exist? Pie or SD confirm / deny?

[rezombad]

Lol
Im not at my sharpest either apparently.

unvote

Still need to read the last few pages thoroughly.

[zemanjaski]

It really doesn't read as that scummy to me. Pretty sure he is just summarizing earlier statements by raspy for you.

[zemanjaski]

If he is scum with 1 lynch-proof, how does that affect the maths? What's the optimal play?

[zemanjaski]

Actually, I still want raspy's T/S list. I have much to think about.