Primer: R/w/x Aggro

[LP, of the Fires]

@MDU, never addressed this in your vids, but mono-black players bring in lifebane zombie vs. you soley because it's a creature and they don't have enough cards to bring compared to everything they're taking out. Huey Jensen among others have said as much.

Ooooo its only been recent that I've seen people bring in lifebane zombie against me, I assumed it was for Boros Reckoner thus I just scoff at it. What are they taking out against me anyway? Most of their list is decent vs Big Red (heck even thoughtseize is decent).

I don't remember. I know they take
out erebos, the connections and some amount of thoughtseize. At least, that was hueys plan for pharika's cure, shrivel, doom blade, and lifebane zombie.

[dauntless268]

How about running a singleton Pyrewild Shaman MD? That would at least partly solve the manasink issue. I always liked the shaman in PyroRed, but felt the deck was too dense for it to really shine. Here this may actually be different (as a sidenote: it can be used to counter last breath )

[magicdownunder]

I am expecting to see a rise in the most recent burn list from the GP tonight at TNM. What is the strategy against this deck? Force them to use removal on my creatures instead of burning me?

Also MDU, you mind posting a quick SB for your list? I'll give it a run tonight and post some feedback. Confused on when LI is coming in and out.

My Elspeth list? The SB plan should be in the videos - my latest list? I have no idea I haven't played it yet so I'm still on the deck building stage rather then the SB planning one.

That said, only take out LI against small Aggro its solid vs everything else, vs Burn you just gold fish against each other - you should have the edge as the haste creature.deck but Warleader Helix is annoying (I haven't played
against it with Boros Aggro but my experience against them with PyroDragon has been positive).

Last Time

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[deck=MDU's Boros Sun Legions]Lands 25
11 Mountains
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Mutavault
2 Boros Guildgate

Creatures 19
2 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
3 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's Phoenix
2 Boros Reckoner
4 Stormbreath Dragon

Spells 10
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
2 Mizzium Mortars

Enchantments 5
4 Chained to the Rocks
1 Legion's Initiative

Planeswalker 1
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion

Sideboard 15
2 Boros Reckoner
2 Last Breath
1 Flames of the Firebrand
1 Rod of Ruin
3 Boros Charm
3 Skullcrack
1 Assemble the Legion
2 Mizzium Mortars[/deck]
Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs Bx Devotion (Event 6430815)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs Esper (Event 6430815)[/url:
1azm7j48]
[url=http://youtu.be/jUkn6GMCII8]Standard Elimination G3: Boros Sun Legion vs Bx Devotion (Event 6430815

Here is the next set running the same list (I have 3 more after this one):

Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs Bx Devotion (Event 6432208)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs RW Devotion (Event 6432208)
Standard Elimination G3: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6432208)

Here is the next set running the same list (I have 2 more
after this one) I'll be taking a small break from magic since I have 15 QPs, 3 boosters and $500 extra tixs saved for when DE start up again:

Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6442190)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6442190)
Standard Elimination G3: Split

Here is the next set running the same list (I have 1 more after this one):
Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs W Control (Event 6436213)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs Bx Devotion (Event 6436213)
Standard Elimination
G3: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6436213)

DE's are back tomorrow so I really need to solidify my deck and plans, thus I'm glad you guys are posting your 75 - if you don't mind LP and Purp can you post where your at as well (or anyone else for that matter)?

[zemanjaski]

I need to read this thread more, great work team.

[Lightning_Dolt]

I'd like to second that. Thanks everyone who is working on the deck and contributing, and especially MDU for your stellar content.

[LP, of the Fires]

Current 76(Yes, 76)
[deck]Creatures:
4 Rakdos Cackler
2 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Ash Zealot
2 Boros Reckoner
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Stormbreath Dragon

Instants/Sorceries:
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
3 Chained to the Rocks
2 Mizzium Mortars

Planeswalkers:
1 Chandra, Pyromaster

Enchantments:
1 Assemble the Legion
1 Legion's Initiative

Lands:
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
2 Temple of Silence(greed)
4 Mutavault
11 Mountain

Sideboard:
2 Boros Reckoner
1 Chained to the Rocks
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Last Breath
3 Boros Charm
3 Skullcrack
1 Assemble the legion
1 Flames of the Firebrand[/deck]

Decided I didn't want to cut anything for Legion's initiative so it's the 61st card. Since it's won my games straight up, I'm not unhappy with this decision.

With the rise of UW control and BW control, I've cut a chain to reduce my dead cards g1 vs. these decks while still having enough to
reasonably deal with 1 master of waves. For similar reasons, added 1 assemble the legion to the main, though I'm dubious as to how good it is vs. UW control. Winning the game when unanswered says "good enough" to me.

Added 1 flames of the firebrand for Orzhov agro. If that becomes big, flames is the second best card vs. them after reckoner and can just win the game as a 3 mana wrath.

[magicdownunder]

@LP, of the Fires

Reminds me of "Faeries with a Hammer" running 61 cards back in the old days, not sure if LI does the same as hammer did for fae but it looks fun , the 3 chains + 2 Mortar logic is good (you'll get 0 faults about your SB from me as well).

@Lazerburn

I like how your 24 land variant looks, SB'ing looks to be smooth as well.

@All, I'll try a type out a new list today combining ideas + explanations - if I don't I'll just go with my Elspeth list for the DEs since I haven't lost a single 8-Man with it yet....

[LP, of the Fires]

"Elspeth is terrible" "I've never lost with Elspeth deck"

Huehuehuehue

[magicdownunder]

[quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=160787#p160787:z2wfszj0]LP, of the Fires » Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:11 pm[/url:z2wfszj0]":z2wfszj0]"Elspeth is terrible" "I've never lost with Elspeth deck"

Huehuehuehue[/quote:z2wfszj0]

I know logic blown, I may have overstated how bad Elspeth is - but when you think about it I've played five 8-mans with the Elspeth list and I only ever manage to cast her 3 times 2/3 time she died right after (so while I call it the elspeth list I didn't really win with Elspeth).

About 3 other games I had her in my opening few draws but I could never hit the lands to play her, thus if i was to provide my more accurate opinion on her, it would be that she is freaken good when you can cast her (esp. on the curve) but most of the time she comes in either too late or just sit idly in your hands.

[Lightning_Dolt]

I'm missing something... Why is reckoner good vs Ozhov? Isn't their removal suite similar to mono black?

[Purp]

So I ran Lazers list tonight at TNM, ending up 4-1 splitting top 4($30 store credit which is fine for me because now my GPT entry for Saturday is covered).

I'm posting from my phone now so this will be fairly short, I'll put some quick thoughts and I'll post report and more in depth thoughts tomorrow when I get to work.

Beat: WW, Mono Black and BG Dredge in Swiss, then took a steamy dump on esper in top 8.
Lost: UW in 2nd round of Swiss.

[deck]Lands 24
12 Mountain
4 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph

Creatures 19
4 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra’s Phoenix
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
3 Stormbreath Dragon

Spells 11
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Mizzium Mortars
1 Flames Of The Firebrand

Thighs 2
2 Chandra, BCIS

Enchantments 4
4 Chained to the Rocks

Sideboard 15
3 Boros Reckoner
3 Skullcrack
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Last Breath
2 Assemble The Legion
2 Boros Charm
1 Rod
Of Ruin
[/deck]

Quick notes I'll elaborate on in the morning:

1) Chandra was amazing.
2) Magma Jet is auto 4 of, the scry is just too good in this deck.
3) Flames MD could probably be cut
4) 24 lands on three dragons was fine. I think I'd want another dragon and white source. So maybe add BW Scryland and 4th dragon
5) there was a lot of black white(both midrange and aggro) as well as UW
6) the UW matchup seems terrible. I really want LI to avoid Last breath
7) if I add a land, I want hammer in my SB. The UW match is so durdly that flood can happen pretty often.
Blood Baron is starting to see a lot more play.
9) fiendslayer is a beating, I wouldn't want to keep all 4 chain in vs UW but if you don't see one it could mean GG
10) Wear//Tear needs discussion as a SB slot
11) I am convinced that we are skilled enough on DtR to cut Boros Chsrm. I have yet to feel like it has won me a game, rather I think it takes
up crucial SB room
12) pithing needle in the SB needs discussion, I know we are against it in red decks. But I really do feel like a control player in most matchup. Relevant targets: whip, jace, elspeth, domri, xrnagos, nykthos,and what I think is public enemy number 1, Mutavault
13)Assemble main could be good, I'm not convinced we need two of them ever

So much to elaborate on in the morning!

[magicdownunder]

Thanks for the report Purp

My thoughts on your thoughts

---

1) Agreed
2) Agreed, esp. now that the meta is more open again, Magma Jet as a 4x seems to be the correct call (finding your 'terrors' or hiding them seem key) it also does a number on Azorius Charm
3) Flames is important in Boros Legions, we don't run shocks or YP$ so having a 1-side sweepers is quite key...
4) UW on the rise? More dragons sounds good, WB scry land is cool as well - though it can ruin your Ash plays...
5) Yep, modo players may have notice this shift early last week (4x Mortars guys run em in your 75)
6) LI is strong vs everything except small aggro no reason not to run 1x
7) Hammer is bad, even vs UW because Elspeth negates them hard.
8 ) this is the same
as point five, run 4x mortars in your 75
9) Fiendslayer is annoying but you shouldn't over commit with chains, esp since they're also running Dsphere.... (just double block the bastard or Boros Charm him to death).
10) Not enough room in our 75, I think glare is better but even for that card we don't have enough room.
11+12) Same as point 10
13) Two is the correct number for Assemble the legions, you do want to see the card in the course of the game, you don't want to see more then 1 and your happy to see it turn 5+

Last Time

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[deck=MDU's Boros Sun Legions]Lands 25
11 Mountains
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Mutavault
2 Boros Guildgate

Creatures 19
2 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
3 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's Phoenix
2 Boros Reckoner
4 Stormbreath Dragon

Spells 10
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
2 Mizzium Mortars

Enchantments 5
4 Chained to the Rocks
1 Legion's Initiative

nPlaneswalker 1
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion

Sideboard 15
2 Boros Reckoner
2 Last Breath
1 Flames of the Firebrand
1 Rod of Ruin
3 Boros Charm
3 Skullcrack
1 Assemble the Legion
2 Mizzium Mortars[/deck]
Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs Bx Devotion (Event 6430815)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs Esper (Event 6430815)
Standard Elimination G3: Boros Sun Legion vs Bx Devotion (Event 6430815

Here is the next set running the same list (I have 3 more after this one):

Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs Bx Devotion (Event 6432208)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs RW Devotion (Event 6432208)
Standard Elimination G3: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6432208)

Here is the next set running the same list (I have 2 more after this one) I'll be taking a small break from magic since I have 15 QPs, 3 boosters and $500 extra tixs saved for when DE start up again:

Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6442190)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6442190)
Standard Elimination G3: Split

Here is
the next set running the same list (I have 1 more after this one):
Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs W Control (Event 6436213)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs Bx Devotion (Event 6436213)
Standard Elimination G3: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6436213)

Here is the next set running the same list (yay we're finish, I notice I mixed some of the replays up between Elim matches but its still fine):
Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6435938)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux
Devotion (Event 6435938)
Standard Elimination G3: Boros Sun Legion vs Br Aggro (Event 6435938)

My new list based on my thoughts on spam playing during last weekend and reading the forum:

[deck=MDU's Boros Legions DE Edition]Lands 25
2 Boros Guildgate
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Mutavault
11 Mountains

Creatures 19
1 Boros Reckoner
2 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Stormbreath Dragon

Spells 10
2 Mizzium Mortars
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike

Enchantments 04
1 Legion's Initiative
3 Chained to the Rocks

Planeswalker 02
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Sideboard 15
1 Flames of the Firebrand
1 Chained to the Rocks
2 Last Breath
2 Boros Charm
2 Boros Reckoner
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Assemble the Legion
3 Skullcrack[/deck]

The SB plan is complete but I want to test it before sharing it.

[LP, of the Fires]

I'm missing something... Why is reckoner good vs Ozhov? Isn't their removal suite similar to mono black?

You're missing the orzhov AGGRO modifier. It's basically white weenie with some black cards.

[Pedros]

Thanks for the report Purp

My thoughts on your thoughts

---

1) Agreed
2) Agreed, esp. now that the meta is more open again, Magma Jet as a 4x seems to be the correct call (finding your 'terrors' or hiding them seem key) it also does a number on Azorius Charm
3) Flames is important in Boros Legions, we don't run shocks or YP$ so having a 1-side sweepers is quite key...
4) UW on the rise? More dragons sounds good, WB scry land is cool as well - though it can ruin your Ash plays...
5) Yep, modo players may have notice this shift early last week (4x Mortars guys run em in your 75)
6&#
41; LI is strong vs everything excepwst small aggro no reason not to run 1x
7) Hammer is bad, even vs UW because Elspeth negates them hard.
8 ) this is the same as point five, run 4x mortars in your 75
9) Fiendslayer is annoying but you shouldn't over commit with chains, esp since they're also running Dsphere.... (just double block the bastard or Boros Charm him to death).
10) Not enough room in our 75, I think glare is better but even for that card we don't have enough room.
11) Same as point 10
12) Two is the correct number for Assemble the legions, you do want to see the card in the course of the game, you don't want to see more then 1 and your happy to see it turn 5+

Last Time

---

[deck=MDU's Boros Sun Legions]Lands 25
11 Mountains
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Mutavault
2 Boros Guildgate

Creatures 19
2 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
3 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's Phoenix
2 Boros Reckoner
n4 Stormbreath Dragon

Spells 10
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
2 Mizzium Mortars

Enchantments 5
4 Chained to the Rocks
1 Legion's Initiative

Planeswalker 1
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion

Sideboard 15
2 Boros Reckoner
2 Last Breath
1 Flames of the Firebrand
1 Rod of Ruin
3 Boros Charm
3 Skullcrack
1 Assemble the Legion
2 Mizzium Mortars[/deck]
Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs Bx Devotion (Event 6430815)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs Esper (Event 6430815)
Standard Elimination G3: Boros Sun Legion vs Bx Devotion (Event 6430815

Here is the next set running the same list (I have 3 more after this one):

Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs Bx Devotion (Event 6432208)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs RW Devotion (Event 6432208)
Standard Elimination G3: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6432208)

Here is the next set running the same list (I have 2 more after this one) I'll be taking a small break from magic since I have 15 QPs, 3 boosters and $500 extra tixs saved for when DE start up again:

Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6442190)
[url=https://www.
youtube.com/watch?v=54RypHtcHrg]Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6442190)[/url]
Standard Elimination G3: Split

Here is the next set running the same list (I have 1 more after this one):
Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs W Control (Event 6436213)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs Bx Devotion (Event 6436213)
Standard Elimination G3: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6436213)

Here is the next set running the same list (yay we're finish, I notice I mixed some of the replays up between Elim matches but its still fine):
Standard Elimination G1:
Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6435938)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6435938)
Standard Elimination G3: Boros Sun Legion vs Br Aggro (Event 6435938)

My new list based on my thoughts on spam playing during last weekend and reading the forum:

[deck=MDU's Boros Legions DE Edition]Lands 25
2 Boros Guildgate
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Mutavault
11 Mountains

Creatures 19
1 Boros Reckoner
2 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Stormbreath Dragon

Spells 10
2 Mizzium Mortars


4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike

Enchantments 04
1 Legion's Initiative
3 Chained to the Rocks

Planeswalker 02
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Sideboard 15
1 Flames of the Firebrand
1 Chained to the Rocks
2 Last Breath
2 Boros Charm
2 Boros
Reckoner
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Assemble the Legion
3 Skullcrack[/deck]

The SB plan is complete but I want to test it before sharing it.

New list like .... perfect. Really like it and will probably run it on ptq this weekend. Couse I didnt test red black much yet, if anyone wants to comment about it please write your thoughts. Imo I/could have break the format with it.

As to 11th point. In my oppinion Purp wanted to point we are skilled enought to not need boros charm in a sb. It would leave us 1 slot for glare or wear / tear in a sb.

[Lightning_Dolt]

I'm missing something... Why is reckoner good vs Ozhov? Isn't their removal suite similar to mono black?

You're missing the orzhov AGGRO modifier. It's basically white weenie with some black cards.

D'oh!

[Lightning_Dolt]

Thanks for the report Purp

My thoughts on your thoughts

---

1) Agreed
2) Agreed, esp. now that the meta is more open again, Magma Jet as a 4x seems to be the correct call (finding your 'terrors' or hiding them seem key) it also does a number on Azorius Charm
3) Flames is important in Boros Legions, we don't run shocks or YP$ so having a 1-side sweepers is quite key...
4) UW on the rise? More dragons sounds good, WB scry land is
cool as well - though it can ruin your Ash plays...
5) Yep, modo players may have notice this shift early last week (4x Mortars guys run em in your 75)
6) LI is strong vs everything excepwst small aggro no reason not to run 1x
7) Hammer is bad, even vs UW because Elspeth negates them hard.
8 ) this is the same as point five, run 4x mortars in your 75
9) Fiendslayer is annoying but you shouldn't over commit with chains, esp since they're also running Dsphere.... (just double block the bastard or Boros Charm him to death).
10) Not enough room in our 75, I think glare is better but even for that card we don't have enough room.
11) Same as point 10
12) Two is the correct number for Assemble the legions, you do want to see the card in the course of the game, you don't want to see more then 1 and your happy to see it turn 5+

Last Time

---

[deck=MDU's Boros Sun Legions]Lands 25
11 Mountains
4 Sacred
Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Mutavault
2 Boros Guildgate

Creatures 19
2 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
3 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's Phoenix
2 Boros Reckoner
4 Stormbreath Dragon

Spells 10
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
2 Mizzium Mortars

Enchantments 5
4 Chained to the Rocks
1 Legion's Initiative

Planeswalker 1
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion

Sideboard 15
2 Boros Reckoner
2 Last Breath
1 Flames of the Firebrand
1 Rod of Ruin
3 Boros Charm
3 Skullcrack
1 Assemble the Legion
2 Mizzium Mortars[/deck]
Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs Bx Devotion (Event 6430815)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs Esper (Event 6430815)
Standard Elimination G3: Boros Sun Legion vs Bx Devotion (Event 6430815

Here is the next set running the same list &
#40;I have 3 more after this one):

Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs Bx Devotion (Event 6432208)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs RW Devotion (Event 6432208)
Standard Elimination G3: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6432208)

Here is the next set running the same list (I have 2 more after this one) I'll be taking a small break from magic since I have 15 QPs, 3 boosters and $500 extra tixs saved for when DE start up again:

Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6442190)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6442190)
Standard Elimination G3: Split

Here is the next set running the same list (I have 1 more after this one):
Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs W Control (Event 6436213)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs Bx Devotion (Event 6436213)
Standard Elimination G3: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6436213)

Here is the next set running the same list (yay we're finish, I notice I mixed some of the
replays up between Elim matches but its still fine):
Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6435938)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6435938)
Standard Elimination G3: Boros Sun Legion vs Br Aggro (Event 6435938)

My new list based on my thoughts on spam playing during last weekend and reading the forum:

[deck=MDU's Boros Legions DE Edition]Lands 25
2 Boros Guildgate
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Mutavault
11 Mountains

Creatures 19
1 Boros Reckoner
2 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Stormbreath Dragon

Spells 10
2 Mizzium Mortars


4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike

Enchantments 04
1 Legion's Initiative
3 Chained to the Rocks
n
Planeswalker 02
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Sideboard 15
1 Flames of the Firebrand
1 Chained to the Rocks
2 Last Breath
2 Boros Charm
2 Boros Reckoner
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Assemble the Legion
3 Skullcrack[/deck]

The SB plan is complete but I want to test it before sharing it.

New list like .... perfect. Really like it and will probably run it on ptq this weekend. Couse I didnt test red black much yet, if anyone wants to comment about it please write your thoughts. Imo I/could have break the format with it.

As to 11th point. In my oppinion Purp wanted to point we are skilled enought to not need boros charm in a sb. It would leave us 1 slot for glare or wear / tear in a sb.

I's argue we're at the point where we don't need Skullcrack...lol

[magicdownunder]

Its not really a matter of 'skill' when were discussing Skullcrack or Boros Charm its a matter of preference.

If you choose to remove one over the other that would make room for more niches cards like Rod of Ruin, [card]Wear // Tear[/card] or Pithing Needle these are not bad cards esp. with the 'big' variant (were running 4x dragons we can make up damage) I personally wouldn't take [card]Wear // Tear[/card] or Pithing Needle since I'll be compelled to run them against control and I know how its like to have them in Shock range for 1-2 turns while I sit on some non-aggressive spell.

That is my preference though, its not right or wrong so pick the cards which suits you.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Playtesting... Flames of the Firebrand seems really good again with the influx of W/x decks with a million X/1's.

[Pedros]

Thanks for the report Purp

My thoughts on your thoughts

---

1) Agreed
2) Agreed, esp. now that the meta is more open again, Magma Jet as a 4x seems to be the correct call (finding your 'terrors' or hiding them seem key) it also does a number on Azorius Charm
3) Flames is
important in Boros Legions, we don't run shocks or YP$ so having a 1-side sweepers is quite key...
4) UW on the rise? More dragons sounds good, WB scry land is cool as well - though it can ruin your Ash plays...
5) Yep, modo players may have notice this shift early last week (4x Mortars guys run em in your 75)
6) LI is strong vs everything excepwst small aggro no reason not to run 1x
7) Hammer is bad, even vs UW because Elspeth negates them hard.
8 ) this is the same as point five, run 4x mortars in your 75
9) Fiendslayer is annoying but you shouldn't over commit with chains, esp since they're also running Dsphere.... (just double block the bastard or Boros Charm him to death).
10) Not enough room in our 75, I think glare is better but even for that card we don't have enough room.
11) Same as point 10
12) Two is the correct number for Assemble the legions, you do want to see the card in the course of the game, you don't want to
see more then 1 and your happy to see it turn 5+

Last Time

---

[deck=MDU's Boros Sun Legions]Lands 25
11 Mountains
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Mutavault
2 Boros Guildgate

Creatures 19
2 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
3 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's Phoenix
2 Boros Reckoner
4 Stormbreath Dragon

Spells 10
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
2 Mizzium Mortars

Enchantments 5
4 Chained to the Rocks
1 Legion's Initiative

Planeswalker 1
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion

Sideboard 15
2 Boros Reckoner
2 Last Breath
1 Flames of the Firebrand
1 Rod of Ruin
3 Boros Charm
3 Skullcrack
1 Assemble the Legion
2 Mizzium Mortars[/deck]
Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs Bx Devotion (Event 6430815)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs Esper (Event 6430815)
[url=http://youtu&
#46;be/jUkn6GMCII8]Standard Elimination G3: Boros Sun Legion vs Bx Devotion (Event 6430815[/url]

Here is the next set running the same list (I have 3 more after this one):

Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs Bx Devotion (Event 6432208)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs RW Devotion (Event 6432208)
Standard Elimination G3: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6432208)

Here is the next set running the same list (I have 2 more after this one) I'll be
taking a small break from magic since I have 15 QPs, 3 boosters and $500 extra tixs saved for when DE start up again:

Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6442190)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6442190)
Standard Elimination G3: Split

Here is the next set running the same list (I have 1 more after this one):
Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs W Control (Event 6436213)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs Bx Devotion (Event 6436213)
Standard Elimination G3: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux
Devotion (Event 6436213)

Here is the next set running the same list (yay we're finish, I notice I mixed some of the replays up between Elim matches but its still fine):
Standard Elimination G1: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6435938)
Standard Elimination G2: Boros Sun Legion vs Ux Devotion (Event 6435938)
Standard Elimination G3: Boros Sun Legion vs Br Aggro (Event 6435938)

My new list based on my thoughts on spam playing during last weekend and reading the forum:

[deck=MDU's Boros Legions DE Edition]Lands 25
2 Boros Guildgate
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Mutavault
11 Mountains

Creatures 19
1 Boros Reckoner
2 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's
Phoenix
4 Stormbreath Dragon

Spells 10
2 Mizzium Mortars


4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike

Enchantments 04
1 Legion's Initiative
3 Chained to the Rocks

Planeswalker 02
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Sideboard 15
1 Flames of the Firebrand
1 Chained to the Rocks
2 Last Breath
2 Boros Charm
2 Boros Reckoner
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Assemble the Legion
3 Skullcrack[/deck]

The SB plan is complete but I want to test it before sharing it.

New list like .... perfect. Really like it and will probably run it on ptq this weekend. Couse I didnt test red black much yet, if anyone wants to comment about it please write your thoughts. Imo I/could have break the format with it.

As to 11th point. In my oppinion Purp wanted to point we are skilled enought to not need boros charm in a sb. It would leave us 1 slot for glare or wear / tear in a sb.

I's argue we're at the point where we don't need Skullcrack...lol

Were did I, Purp or MDU mention
skullcrackmin point 11? We are talkimg about boros charm.
What he was saying is taht we can play around verdict by nmot overextending How can you play around lifelink from garry or revelation/without skullcrack or erebos? Sometimes you dobt have hand you can kill them before it happens.

[Purp]

@Pedro, I think JS was just saying that he thinks we need Skullcrack less than BC.

@MDU, Is the one of reckoner better than having a 3rd FDS? I won so many games last night being able to just flood out creatures in the early going. FDS can also counter Last Breath can't it? In response to last breath pump FDS for +1?

[Lightning_Dolt]

Testing tonight was just fucking horrible. Every kind of variance you can imagine, land flood, mana screw, colour screw, no removal, no creatures... for fuck's sake. I'm starting to question if this deck is good enough for the GP. Then again, PyroDragons is the only other deck I like in standard. Fuck.

[LaZerBurn]

Testing tonight was just fucking horrible. Every kind of variance you can imagine, land flood, mana screw, colour screw, no removal, no creatures... for fuck's sake. I'm starting to question if this deck is good enough for the GP. Then again, PyroDragons is the only other deck I like in standard. Fuck.

Hang in there Johnny! I had a day like this yesterday, it happens to most of us. The deck is good enough, it's just variance, really. Take the build you are happy with, with the SB plan that you are happy with and do your best. Stay calm and focused and kick ass

I have to say that I wish this was as easy to do as it is to suggest to others!

[Keftenk]

It's all part of the game /shrug RNG

[LaZerBurn]

@Pedro, I think JS was just saying that he thinks we need Skullcrack less than BC.

@MDU, Is the one of reckoner better than having a 3rd FDS? I won so many games last night being able to just flood out creatures in the early going. FDS can also counter Last Breath can't it? In response to last breath pump FDS for +1?

I like 4 FDS for exactly those reasons (I'm struggling to balance out my SB with this though)

[Purp]

@Pedro, I think JS was just saying that he thinks we need Skullcrack less than BC.

@MDU, Is the one of reckoner better than having a 3rd FDS? I won so many games last night being able to just flood out creatures in the early going. FDS can also counter Last Breath can't it? In response to last breath pump FDS for +1?

I like 4 FDS for exactly those reasons (I'm struggling to balance out my SB with this though)

I did run into this problem with your SB. I noticed in matchups where I
wanted to side out all 8 1 drops, I was only able to find 7 cards in the SB to bring in. (The WW matchup for ex.)

[Lightning_Dolt]

I second thoughts that increase in Blood Baron of Vitzkopa's popularity necessitates adding 2x Mortars to the SB. I suggest cutting 2x Boros Charm. Lately I find that Mono Black is a lot grindier, so Boros Charm is becoming less of an auto win card.

Current 75:

[deck]Creatures (20)
4 Stormbreath Dragon
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's Phoenix

Planeswalkers (2)
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Instants (7)
4 Lightning Strike
3 Magma Jet

Sorceries (2)
2 Mizzium Mortars

Enchantments(4)
4 Chained to the Rocks

Land (25)
4 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
11 Mountain
2 Boros Guildgate

Sideboard (15)
2 Assemble the Legion
2 Last Breath
2 Boros Charm
4 Boros Reckoner
2 Flames of the Firebrand
2 Mizzium Mortars
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion[/deck]

[Lightning_Dolt]

It's all part of the game /shrug RNG

I know, but it's not what I'm looking for with a GP in 10 days.

[Lightning_Dolt]

I should probably just play MDU's 75, minus the 1 of's, because they drive me insane.

[Keftenk]

I should probably just play MDU's 75, minus the 1 of's, because they drive me insane.

I hear ya, PTQ in 10 days as well and then a Gold Qualifier the next week. I've been bouncing from a Pyro list and a Legion's list.

[LaZerBurn]

@Pedro, I think JS was just saying that he thinks we need Skullcrack less than BC.

@MDU, Is the one of reckoner better than having a 3rd FDS? I won so many games last night being able to just flood out creatures in the early going. FDS can also counter Last Breath can't it? In response to last breath pump FDS for +1?

I like 4 FDS for exactly those reasons (I'm struggling to balance out my SB with this though)

I did run into this problem with your SB. I noticed in matchups where I wanted to side out all 8 1 drops, I was only able to find 7 cards in the SB to bring in. (The WW matchup for ex.)

Exactly! I've not had the time to get this sorted out, it is possible though! Should have it by tonight/tomorrow RL permitting

[Lightning_Dolt]

@ MDU, You're really giving up on Elspeth?

[Purp]

---

@Pedro, I think JS was just saying that he thinks we need Skullcrack less than BC.

@MDU, Is the one of reckoner better than having a 3rd FDS? I won so many games last night being able to just flood out creatures in the early going. FDS can also counter Last Breath can't
it? In response to last breath pump FDS for +1?

I like 4 FDS for exactly those reasons (I'm struggling to balance out my SB with this though)

I did run into this problem with your SB. I noticed in matchups where I wanted to side out all 8 1 drops, I was only able to find 7 cards in the SB to bring in. (The WW matchup for ex.)

Exactly! I've not had the time to get this sorted out, it is possible though! Should have it by tonight/tomorrow RL permitting

Maybe just cut one FDS?

[LaZerBurn]

---

@Pedro, I think JS was just saying that he thinks we need Skullcrack less than BC.

@MDU, Is the one of reckoner better
than having a 3rd FDS? I won so many games last night being able to just flood out creatures in the early going. FDS can also counter Last Breath can't it? In response to last breath pump FDS for +1?

I like 4 FDS for exactly those reasons (I'm struggling to balance out my SB with this though)

I did run into this problem with your SB. I noticed in matchups where I wanted to side out all 8 1 drops, I was only able to find 7 cards in the SB to bring in. (The WW matchup for ex.)

Exactly! I've not had the time to get this sorted out, it is possible though! Should have it by tonight/tomorrow RL permitting

Maybe just cut one FDS?[/
quote]

It's definitely a reasonable cut, MDU is doing fine with 2, I just like my 8 1 drops

[notap123]

Has anyone tried a 3 Dragon 1 Assemble split yet? Fills the same spot but shores up the Bx and Gx matches a bit better. I like the idea of falling into the Assemble / Initiative combo main deck as well.

[Purp]

Has anyone tried a 3 Dragon 1 Assemble split yet? Fills the same spot but shores up the Bx and Gx matches a bit better. I like the idea of falling into the Assemble / Initiative combo main deck as well.

Seems interesting! I might try something like this tomorrow night at ThursNM... just begs the question if I even want the 25th land

[deck]Lands 25
1 Boros Guildgate (This MIGHT become a 12th mountain)
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
1 Temple of Silence (I like the idea of having just one more scry option)
4 Mutavault
11 Mountains

Creatures 18
3 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's Phoenix
3 Stormbreath Dragon

Spells 10
2 Mizzium Mortars


4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike

Enchantments 05
1
Assemble
1 Legion's Initiative
3 Chained to the Rocks

Planeswalker 02
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Sideboard 15
1 Flames of the Firebrand
1 Chained to the Rocks
2 Last Breath
2 Boros Charm
3 Boros Reckoner
2 Mizzium Mortars
1 Assemble the Legion
3 Skullcrack[/deck]

[notap123]

This is what I've been tossing around lately. LI is nice in both the early and late game turning on 1-3cc creatures then Assemble. I've been back n forth on the Reckoner or Mortars though. My meta has quite a bit of G/r and G/w aggro variants I like the late game board clear mortars brings but the Reckoner has a bridge for momentum with the potential 2 for 1.

[deck]Creature (19)
4x Ash Zealot
4x Chandra's Phoenix
4x Firedrinker Satyr
4x Rakdos Cackler
3x Stormbreath Dragon
Instant (8)
4x Lightning Strike
4x Magma Jet
Sorcery (2)
2x Mizzium Mortars
Land (24)
12x Mountain
4x Mutavault
4x Sacred Foundry
4x Temple of Triumph
Enchantment (5)
1x Assemble the Legion
3x Chained to the Rocks
1x Legion's Initiative
Planeswalker (2)
2x Chandra, Pyromaster[/deck]

[montu]

Two things:

1) I just had a first - my opp played [card]Sphinx's Revelation[/card] for 5 (upping cards in hand to 9) when I had 7 mana open. Man did it feel good to activate Monstrosity on my Stormbreath Dragon. (I bet he never does THAT again lol).

2) I've been toying with replacing Firedrinker Satyr wit Civic Saber. It turns Boros Reckoner into a 5/3 beast and pumps Rakdos Cackler to a 4/2. It's also not too shabby on [card]Chandra's Phoenix[/card], since getting those extra points of damage over the top really helps out.

[magicdownunder]

@ MDU, You're really giving up on Elspeth?

I don't know really, I haven't really lost with her yet - I really like her when I can cast her but most of the time I just fear her CC.

Hmmm, how about this:
[deck=MDU's Boros Sun Legions]Lands 25
2 Boros Guildgate
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Mutavault
11 Mountains

Creatures 19
3 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Stormbreath Dragon

Spells 10
2 Mizzium Mortars
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike

Enchantments 04
1 Legion's Initiative
3 Chained to the Rocks

Planeswalker 02
1 Chandra, Pyromaster
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion

Sideboard 15
1 Assemble the Legion
1 Flames of the Firebrand
1 Chained to the Rocks
2 Last Breath
n2 Boros Charm
2 Mizzium Mortars
3 Boros Reckoner
3 Skullcrack[/deck]

The 1x's may drive you insane though... (not sure what you guys have against 1x's) heck with Elspeth, you could cut down 1 Mortar in favor for +1 FDS but I'll personally feel weird with too less low costed removal.

Testing tonight was just fucking horrible. Every kind of variance you can imagine, land flood, mana screw, colour screw, no removal, no creatures... for fuck's sake. I'm starting to question if this deck is good enough for the GP. Then again, PyroDragons is the only other deck I like in standard. Fuck.

That happens, I wanted to point out that PyroDragons isn't a bad deck - its much more rounded and has a better game vs Black and Small Aggro.

I made the switch to the 'bigger' variant because I expected an increase in Rx decks,
I still believe Rx is a deck to be wary about in large events but I did notice a few people saying that Rx isn't really a deck... if your not worried about Rx switch back to PyroDragons your Ux and Rx gets alittle worst for it but you gain more consistency.

[NerdBoyWonder]

Recorded a round of big boros taking on blue devotion. I was running a pyromancer variant and don't have the decklist at all. I just remember by the end of the night I was off Big Boros and switched to Walter White. I haven't touched the cards in over a month and after watching the video definitely could tell I am rusty.

Here is the vid anyways:
http://youtu.be/kGvzu0pkNzg

[magicdownunder]

Recorded a round of big boros taking on blue devotion. I was running a pyromancer variant and don't have the decklist at all. I just remember by the end of the night I was off Big Boros and switched to Walter White. I haven't touched the cards in over a month and after watching the video definitely could tell I am rusty.

Here is the vid anyways:
http://youtu.be/kGvzu0pkNzg

I actually really enjoy that (I subbed, liked and commented), would it be possible to show your hand in the future?

Here is my first DE Report 6454960

[deck=MDU's Boros Legions DE Edition]Lands 25
2 Boros Guildgate
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Mutavault
11 Mountains

nCreatures 19
1 Boros Reckoner
2 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Stormbreath Dragon

Spells 10
2 Mizzium Mortars
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike

Enchantments 04
1 Legion's Initiative
3 Chained to the Rocks

Planeswalker 02
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Sideboard 15
1 Flames of the Firebrand
1 Chained to the Rocks
2 Last Breath
2 Boros Charm
2 Boros Reckoner
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Assemble the Legion
3 Skullcrack[/deck]
Sideboard Plans are in the videos, please comment, click on adds, like or Sub - it helps me get extra money.

Standard Tournament R1: Boros Legions vs Blackx Devotion (Daily Event 6454960)
Standard Tournament R2: Boros Legions vs BG Rock (Daily Event 6454960)
Standard Tournament R3: Boros Legions
vs UW Control (Daily Event 6454960) (he ran 2x Temple of Deceit for Scry and true high level mindgames - I thought he was Esper so I kept Mortars)
Standard Tournament R4: Boros Legions vs UWB Control (Daily Event 6454960) (he QQed so hard... at the end)