[Primer] PyroRed

[dpaine88]

Well Chained to the Rocks does answer Master and Gods where Dreadbore doesn't.

Though the uptick in golgari charm and Abrupt Decay has me worried about Chained

[Valdarith]

Doom Blade in black answers Master of Waves so that's not a good point.

[Purp]

RB < RW. When Born of the Gods comes out, we should revisit the debate.

[TBuzzsaw]

Plus we could see all sorts of goodies that can be released on both sides of the fence.

[Valdarith]

You need to post factual information without making blanket statements, Purp. As of now I have no reason to believe you as you haven't addressed any of my points.

[dpaine88]

Ok and Doom Blade is conditional as fuck, are you gonna run 4 of those like you can run 4 Chained?

Chained cant hit Dragon or Baron. Thats it.

[Tyrael]

Ok and Doom Blade is conditional as fuck, are you gonna run 4 of those like you can run 4 Chained?

Chained cant hit Dragon or Baron. Thats it.

Well, as long as no-one's running any enchantment hate Chained will be amazing

but if that Brian Kibler deck gets really popular we might want to reconsider it

[Pedros]

Time for report after GP Vienna.

Traveled to Vienna on Friday, went to register at 3 and then went sighseeing around Vienna as it was my first time in this city. After that we went to restaurant to eat extraordinary supper and drank some beer.

Saturday morning I sleeved and registered this deck:

[deck]PyroDragons[/deck]

I choose Reckoners MB and Satyrs SB after looking at the metagame. I was talking with MDU about it, he seemed to
disagree, however I tested a lot week before the tournament and really liked that configuration, will probably play that from now on. Esper and Black matchups were worse than Satyr version, however not unwinable pre board, while all of the others matchups were much better.

Ok lets talk about games:

Round 1 Bye

Round 2 Gr Devotion (red splash) WIN 2:1

G1 muligan to 4 on a draw, and my opp had nuts in T1 elf into t2 double BTE and reverent hunter. I almost grinded that matchup, and had seen my opponent is terrible as he missed several on board wins.
G2 won easily.
G3 I had 3 reckoners on board, opp was at 7, and he activated domri, didnt show me the card and cast mizzium mortars on 1 reckoner. I called a judge and he lost game for drawing extra card.

SB -4 Cacklers, -4 YP$, +2 Skullcrack, +2 Mortars, +2 Fanatic, +2 Boros Charm

Round 3 Mono U Devotion WIN 2:1

G1 stabilized at 1 and won with dragons and chandra. I think he misscalculated as he bounced chain on endstep, attacked me to 1,
and then didnt have anything to finish me off.
G2 this time he stabilized at 1 and then cast huge master. Had 2 outs to cast haste creature (phoenix or dragon) or any burn.
G3 game was extremely intense, he had double rift and hybridization + 2/3 raptor, while I stabilized board and cast 2 dragons(bounced twice and hybridized).

SB: -4 Cacklers, -2 YP$ +2 Mortars, +2 Fanatic, +2 Last Breath

Round 4 GW Agro LOST 0:2

G1 Both of us mulligan to 5, everything can happen.
G2 Muligan to 6 on a play and kept: Scry land, 2*Shock, Mizzium Mortar, Lightning Strike, Boros Reckoner. Killed his 2* experiment ones, but lost to soldier, lion and smiter. Didnt draw a single land even with scry.

SB: -4 Cacklers, +2 Mortars, +2 LAst Breath

Round 5 Mono B WIN 2:1

G1 He stabilized at 1 and killed me with merchant. Had 2 draws to draw burn. 20->18->16->14->12->11->17->15->14->13->9->8->7->5->4->3->6->5->7->3->1
G2 20->18->15->11->7->-1
nG3 20->22->18->15->12->8->0

SB: -4 Reckoners, -3Shock, -1 Magma Jet, -1 Dragon, +4 Firedrinker Satyr, +3 Skullcrack, +2 Boros Charm

Round 6 WBR Control WIN 2-0

G1 Killed him throu multiple removal, he just couldnt keep up.
G2 Opp had baron and demon, I had 2 pyro, dragon and reckoner. Won after topdecking 2nd spell to kill baron and tap demon.

SB: -4 Reckoner, -3 Shock, -2 Chained to the Rocks, -2 Flames of the Firebrand, +4 Firedrinker Satyr, +2 Boros Charm, +2 Mizzium Mortars, +3 Skullcrack

Round 7 Rg Devotion WIN 2-1 (green splash)

G1 lost to BTE->BTE->Hammer->Dragon->reckoner + domri fight
G2 Stabilized at 4 and killed him withreckoners and dragons.
G3 Killed every possible creature and killed with dragon and chandra phoenix.

SB: -4 Rakdos Cackler, +2 Mizzium Mortars, +2 Last Breath

Round 8 Jund Control WIN 2-1

G1 Had extremely good hand with 2 1 drops and 4 burn spells in hand. However turn 4 he cast rakdos return for 4 and forced me to
discard total of 11 burn.
G2 and G3 won easily throu multiple removal (however boros charm is king vs anger )

SB: -4 Boros Reckoners, -4 Rakdos Cackler, +4 FireDrinker Satyr, +2 Boros Charm, +2 Mizzium Mortars

Round 9 Rw Devotion WIN 2-0

G1 He had quite good draw of Ash zealot, reckoner, and BTE BTE fanatic, however I cast cackler turn 1, jet his zealot T2, striked his reckoner T3, and on his 4rd turn when he cast BTE BTE Fantic and said "take 5" killed double BTE with shocks and took 1 only :> Then Dragon for the win.
G2 Took some damage up to 6, where I stabilized with dragon on D, attacked with phoenix for some turns, and then topdecked chandra to kill him on alpha strike.

SB: -4 Rakdos Cackler, +2 Mizzium Mortars, +2 Fanatic of Mogis


After that was 8-1, however my tiebreakers were terrible. 3 more people from our room went to day 2. One of them had birthsday so we drank some hot wine and eat
extremely good supper + cake.


Round 10 Bg Devotion LOST 0-2

G1 got blown up by tripple grey metchant (1 from destroying chained)
G2 Would be only sth like "Zjebałem -> Przegrałem" (sth like I fucked -> I lost in my language). Had double 1 drops and he cast thoughtseize and took my flames of firebrand, and then next turn lifebane zombie. I had 1 more removal in hand - lightning strike, 2 phoenixes and 1 boros charm. I killed his zombie and swung for 6 with mutavault and put him to 12, however he then cast specter into demon and I lost. I should have just cast Phoenix and trade 1 drop with zombie, and then kill specter to free my phoenixes.

SB: -4 Boros Reckoner, -3 Shock, -1 Dragon, -1 Magma Jet, +4 Firedrinker Satyr, +2 Boros Charm, +3 Skullcrack

Round 11 Wr Agro WIN 2-1

G1 mulligan to 6 on a draw, however 3 phoenixes without removal isnt good hand vs this deck.
G2 Killed everything and killed with phoenix and dragon (had dragon on D for some time)
G3 Was extremely
interesting as he shocked himself just to keep Brave on turn 3. I then developed my board with double YP$ and reckoners. When he tapped out I killed his creatures, but he had still a lot of them, so I couldnt attack that much. Then he scryed, kept card on top, cast brave swung for 8 and cast another creature so I was dead next turn (was at 10 and he had Brave on top). I then topdecked Mizzium mortars and overload it, however I think any burn would won me this game .

SB: -4 Rakdos Cackler, +2 Mizzium Mortars, +2 Last Breath

Round 12 PyroLegions LOST 0-2

G1 Was my flood vs his screw. Triple Chain vs triple Phoenixes, double burn spells vs his chandra that did nothing + intelligent trading kept me in game. I then topdecked dragon, played last land from hand and wanted to mostrous it for the win (he kept mortars and 2 chains in hand without white mana), however he pointed I ony had 11 mana ... Then he mortared my dragon and that was gg.

G2 We both played control and then he slammed Assemble the
Legion. then it was gg after like 5 turns.

After the game he show me YP$

SB: -4 Rakdos Cackler, +2 Mizzium Mortars, +2 Last Breath

Round 13 GW Agro WIN 2-0

G1 Win with reckoner and phoenix + removal
G2 Win wih multiple removals + Dragon

SB: -4 Rakdos Cackler, +2 Mizzium Mortars, +2 Last Breath

Round 14 Esper Control WIN 2-1

G1 lost he stabilized at 4 after I killed first elspeth with phoenix + burn, and then chained his aetherling, however he cast 2nd elspeth and verdict.
G2 Won with tripple 1 drops and phoenix + skullcrack.
G3 Won with phoenixes and chandra recursion + finally dragon from the top.

SB: -4 Reckoner, -4 Chained to the Rocks, -1 Flames of the Firebrand, -2 YP$, +4 Firedrinker Satyr, +2 Boros Charm, +3 Skullcrack, +2 Mizzium Mortars.

Round 15 0-0-1 ID

We both had tiebreakers about 63-65%, so the looser would be out of top 64, while winner didnt have a chance to top 16. We decided to split to be guaranted into top 64 to finish in money.

As for the SB:
sometimes I want creature on a play and burn on a draw (mono black where you sb dragon out or esper where you sb YP$).

Was very happy with deck choice, pre GP I played close to 300 official (FNM, GPT, Daily, 8-mans or 2-mans on MODO) with prizes, no the same version but the same style.
For me having reckoners in MB allows for more skill intensive play game 1, where you dont need to play agressive game most of the time. Also makes smoother transition between game 1 and 2 vs most opponents. I didnt want to get Legion's Initiative or Wear/Tear before as I have never played with it, however looking forward I would try to put 1 wear/tear and 1 legion's initiative to sb.

Why Wear/Tear? Because it solves multiple problems with Domestication, Claustrofobia, Chain to the Rocks, Weapons and assemble the legion. Vs most opponents it gains CA (kill whip and connection? Hammer and Chain/Assemble? Domestification/Claustrophobia + Bidet?)

Why Legion's Initiative? Because it allows to attack past Specters,
Caryatids, makes YP tokens a real threat vs jace, potentially mke the same damage as boros charm when timed correctly and acts as board prevention sweeper. Another upsite as someone had pointed is the fact is plays well with Fanatic of Mogis.

[Valdarith]

Ok and Doom Blade is conditional as fuck, are you gonna run 4 of those like you can run 4 Chained?

Chained cant hit Dragon or Baron. Thats it.

Actually yes, I do run four Doom Blade in my sideboard alongside Dark Betrayal in my RB list.

Any more terse yet completely irrelevant posts?

[dpaine88]

Ok and Doom Blade is conditional as fuck, are you gonna run 4 of those like you can run 4 Chained?

Chained cant hit Dragon or Baron. Thats it.

Actually yes, I do run four Doom Blade in my sideboard alongside Dark Betrayal in my RB list.

Any more terse yet completely irrelevant posts?

How is it completely irrelevant dude? You basically said Doom Blade >= Chained and I made a rebuttal stating the opposite...

Was just trying to have a friendly debate

[dpaine88]

Pedro,

Any issues with 4 Reckoners with only 19 red sources?

Do you think 2 Stormbreath was the right number? I gotta say that for a 2-of, you seemed to draw it A LOT.

[Pedros]

Pedro,

Any issues with 4 Reckoners with only 19 red sources?

Do you think 2 Stormbreath was the right number? I gotta say that for a 2-of, you seemed to draw it A LOT.

As for reckoners - I mostly flood with any deck I play with (once I tested 3 dragons with 20 lands on modo, stll cast them turn 5... in 10 rounds of 2-mans). I prefer to keep 3-4 land hands with good cards than mulliganing. With that I can position myself in such a way, that I can cast reckoner turn 3 if needed. Most of the time we dont have time to activate mutavault in first 3 turns anyway, as there is often sometimes better to do. You just need to play smart with your manabase. BTW when I have dragons in hand I tend to keep more lands with scry so it also solves
reckoners problems.

In those 14 rounds played I maybe had problem once to cast reckoner on turn I needed it(as sometimes I preffer to play phoenix), not mentioning Round 4 vs GW where I didnt draw 2nd land for multiple turns.

As for dragons - even in games I only leave 1 I always draw them . Also I scry really agressive to find threats and answers.
However I had 4 YP$ and as you can see in my report I didnt mention them ofthen. Because I didnt draw them a lot ;/

[magicdownunder]

Variant will hit you sometimes with 19 sources, but you usually don't want to cast reck on T3 anyways so its no biggie.

@Valdarith, I do agree with dpaine on Blacks removal being more fickle then Chains - but if chains isn't enough the RW lands base is better, W gives you enchantment hate, W gives you protection LI and Boros Charm and W gives you Assemble the Legions, W also gives you lifegain if you want that. Its not by chances that RW has more results then RB on larger then FNM scale events.

- - - - - - - -

Pedros you deserve more "thanks" for the write up

I updated the primer with the GP report and added Pyrodragons to the successful variant list (it now has many MODO wins, Johnny's GPT win and Pedro's GP success).

[Pedros]

To be honest I like Rb shell, however dont know If I like manabase. Scry Land are extremely popular right now. I might try it tommorow as a YP$ control shell with 3 tymaret and 3 exava along with 1-4 rix maadi guildmages and removal.

Also on day 2 I played near guy who played BRW agro deck. Phoenix, Exava, Dragon, Aurelia, a lot of removal. He played extremely bad - cast 2nd Exava vs esper to legend rule them... and let opponent to detention sphere his dragon ...

Deck looked really powerful.

[Valdarith]

Ok and Doom Blade is conditional as fuck, are you gonna run 4 of those like you can run 4 Chained?

Chained cant hit Dragon or Baron. Thats it.

Actually yes, I do run four Doom Blade in my sideboard alongside Dark Betrayal in my RB list.

Any more terse yet completely irrelevant posts?

How is it completely irrelevant dude? You basically said Doom Blade >= Chained and I made a rebuttal stating the opposite..
.

Was just trying to have a friendly debate

Sorry, your post just came of snoody to me with the cursing and whatnot.

I don't necessarily think Doom Blade is better, but I think the removal black has to offer IS better overall. I also like dodging Abrupt Decay and Peak Eruption. Plus the instant speed of Doom Blade is VERY nice.

[Valdarith]

On a different note, I have a YP$ list to share:

[deck]
Creatures (20)
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Viashino Firstblade

Spells (18)
3 Chained to the Rocks
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
4 Boros Charm
3 Chandra, Pyromaster

Lands (22)
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
2 Boros Guildgate
1 Plains
11 Mountain
[/deck]

[tkoman]

Shit . . . one less PyroDragons at Dallas, freaking weather shutting down travel . . . losing my byes too. Oh well, next time . ..

[Keftenk]

Sure kef, here´s some observations.

Well, your manabase in a committe imho. -1 Mutavault, -1 Temple of Triumph, +3 Mountains for at least 23 land. As of now you look like you want to be control (everyone LOVES Scry, I know) and poor Phoenixes and Exavas languish in the starting blocks.

Exava is a finisher in an aggro deck, but you stumble yourself with the mana and the mid field creatures are of the control variety. Bones is also a control feature. Thus does your deck looking like it wants to be both control and aggro. To many of her too, better 2-3.

FotF is a 1 of maybe and Dreadbores are 1
md with the rest sb (this is only because of the reign of MonoU. In the future we can switch back to md). Instead pick the spot removal that fits your meta. My local is ahead in the curve in so far as MonoB is vaning. Thus do I have Doom Blade md instead of UP.

The sb suffers too. Erebos counters MonoB, making Gary an overcosted burn. Exchange the Skullcracks. Mortars are of little use when you have Erebos. Blood Baron turns into 5 mana for a walking 4/4. Pick something that counter your meta for that space.

I think you need to decide which direction you want to go; control or aggro? Tymaret will help you in the control case and Ashley in aggro for a start. Finishers are upp for discussion. I´m testing Underworld Cerberus in aggro, but Dragon or Exava might fit better.

Good point with Exava + burn. I think that is what Zem alluded to a few pages back.

Erebos is definitely nice against Mono B instead of Skullcrack, that was a good change. Just beat up on Mono B
again, losing 1 game because I had to mull to 4 ;\ I think I may ditch the Mortars as well...

The reason why I opted for the janky setup of scry lands + 2 Read the Bones is to search for a finisher. Where as in PyroWhite I would save and use Chains (as I'm sure we all do lol), I basically need that same effect in PyroBlack. Rather, I want that same effect. I have nothing up in the air except for the Phoenix, and Exava will essentially kill anything that is x/4, so I figured it was vital to send her in when I needed it most. Searching for a Dreadbore, Ultimate Price, Chandra, Pyromaster, or even a snipe spell was the idea.

Young Pyromancer is still a power house vs the Mono B match up. I couldn't really imagine dominating as much as the deck does versus that match up without YP.

I think I may refine this list a little bit more.

[LP, of the Fires]

You need to post factual information without making blanket statements, Purp. As of now I have no reason to believe you as you haven't addressed any of my points.

Chained is the best maindeck spot removal spell in the format* being able to hit everything, including gods for the low cost of 1 mana.

Doom blade isn't really maindeckable as more then a 1-of unless you have something that lets you reliably get value from discarding cards. Lots of matches are won and lost on not being able to kill a nightveil spector(or something) on time.

White also has the scry land which is a BIG deal. I consider playing off-color scrylands before guilgates in decks that need an extra source of x-splash color. Scrying is about the best mechanic in magic.

[Valdarith]

I already mentioned the scrylands.

My comments are getting taken out of context. My original assertion was that if you're running RW without Boros Charm you may as well be running RB. That assertion stands.

[Valdarith]

To add to my point, most of these RW decks are running two Chained maindeck. The only relevant thing Dreadbore can't hit that Chained can is Master of Waves. Postboard this is a wash because you can board in the removal suite that suits your needs. Want to kill Desecration Demon? Bring in extra Dreadbore and some Dark Betrayal. Need Master of Waves to die? Bring in Doom Blade. It's literally the same answers as RW postboard with different names on the cardboard and less vulnerability to removal like Abrupt Decay and Peak Eruption.

[zemanjaski]

Dreadbore is absurd.

That's my contribution for today.

[amcfvieira]

Guys I will have a big tournament next Saturday and I need help to "Mono U" matchup. My current list are:

[deck]4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Ash Zealot
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Chandra's Phoenix

3 Chandra, Pyromaster

4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
4 Shock
2 Chained to the Rocks

Land 23
12 Mountain
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
3 Mutavault

Sideboard 15
4 Boros Reckoner
2 Chained to the Rocks
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Boros Charm
2 Act of Treason
3 Skullcrack
[/deck]

I can change the number of Skullcrack in sideboard (maybe cutting one), but I feel very comfortable with this deck. I think in include one Last breath. Maybe I can change one Mutavault for one Plain.

My usual sideboard strategy against Mono U:
+2 Chained
+2 Mizzium
+4 Boros Reckoner
-4 Rakdos Cackler
-4 Firedrinker Satyr

I'm thinking leave the Boros Reckoner out of the game because domestication
and maybe put Skullcrack, Act of Treason or Boros Charm in.
Please give your advice.

[Valdarith]

If you are expecting a lot of mono blue I'd consider going up one Chained and down one Shock mainboard.

[dpaine88]

Ok and Doom Blade is conditional as fuck, are you gonna run 4 of those like you can run 4 Chained?

Chained cant hit Dragon or Baron. Thats it.

Actually yes, I do run four Doom Blade in my sideboard alongside Dark Betrayal in my RB list.

Any more terse yet completely
irrelevant posts?

How is it completely irrelevant dude? You basically said Doom Blade >= Chained and I made a rebuttal stating the opposite...

Was just trying to have a friendly debate

Sorry, your post just came of snoody to me with the cursing and whatnot.

I don't necessarily think Doom Blade is better, but I think the removal black has to offer IS better overall. I also like dodging Abrupt Decay and Peak Eruption. Plus the instant speed of Doom Blade is VERY nice.

I just swear a lot =D no hard feelings meant

[zemanjaski]

You're from Boston, I just thought that was assumed?

[RaidaTheBlade]

So, in my quest for a deck for the tourney saturday, I'm fairly set with the same 58/60 as pedros (i only run 3 muta, to help mana).

I am a little concerned about the sideboard though.

pedros sideboard was:

Sideboard 15
4 Firedrinker Satyr
2 Fanatic of Mogis
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Boros Charm
2 Last breath
3 Skullcrack

Vundo also had a potential sideboard:

SIDEBOARD
1 Rod of Ruin
2 Last Breath
2 Fanatic of Mogis
2 Mizzium Mortars
4 Boros Charm
4 Skullcrack

And I've been testing my own thing recently as well:
Sideboard:
4 Mizzium Mortars
3
Skullcrack
3 Boros Charm
2 Fanatic of Mogis
2 Last Breath
1 Rod of Ruin


Each of these has different strengths. pedros has the satyr in the sb, so bringing in against control, whereas vundo brings in more skullcracks and boros charms for those matchups. I personally side in more mortars, to help deal with mono-u and other aggro-y decks.

What do y'all think about a good general sideboard for a tournament this weekend? (so post gp vienna meta still in full swing)

[Elricity]

Shit . . . one less PyroDragons at Dallas, freaking weather shutting down travel . . . losing my byes too. Oh well, next time . ..

Fuck that. I already took Friday off to drive up. Helps that I'm going with a group to make me go.

[dpaine88]

You're from Boston, I just thought that was assumed?

Holy fuckin shit, didn't realize our reptution was so widespread!

[zemanjaski]

I've been to Boston twice

[windstrider]

Dreadbore is absurd.

That's my contribution for today.

It kills almost anything (excepting gods, Blood Baron, and Master of Waves) in the game. Damn right, it's absurd.

RB has a lot of potential strengths over RW. In addition to Dreadbore, Exava is nearly equivalent to Falkenrath Aristocrat. She dodges Lightning Strike, Doom Blade, and Ultimate Price, and she kills almost everything on her own. And then you get access to the best spot removal and the best discard.

RW has one thing going for it that RB currently does not: consistency. Once Temple of Malice comes down, however, RB will be a powerhouse combination just like Dos Rakis was last Standard.

[Valdarith]

I had a lot of success with this list tonight:

[deck]
Creatures (20)
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Viashino Firstblade

Spells (18)
3 Chained to the Rocks
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
4 Boros Charm
3 Chandra, Pyromaster

Lands (22)
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Sacred Foundry
2 Boros Guildgate
1 Plains
11 Mountain

Sideboard (15)
1 Chained to the Rocks
4 Mizzium Mortars
4 Skullcrack
3 Warleader's Helix
2 Wear / Tear
1 Tajic, Blade of the Legion
[/deck]

1) Viashino Firstblade is definitely a card, but I think it should be Ash Zealot instead just for the ability to play her on turn two. There were some times where I got off to a slow start and ended up losing because I had Firstblade instead of Ash Zealot. The first strike is also huge. That said, slamming him down for four damage happened quite a bit and was significant to many game outcomes.

2) I
don't think we should even bother with Wear / Tear in the side. Seems like it just dilutes our deck only to take care of narrow things like Chained to the Rocks or Detention Sphere. Considering putting in Peak Eruption.

3) I see I've come full circle with a variation of Zem's PyroWhite build. Key differences is that I have Boros Charm and Chandra mainboard. I just like turning guys sideways.

4) I'm a little weaker to red mirrors preboard due to the Boros Charms. This is significant on MODO but in my paper meta where midrange and control reign supreme I really like this configuration. Reminds me a lot of the RB deck I was playing immediately following rotation.

[Helios]

Pedros, that report is incredible. Well done. Will digest and comment later.

So I defended my thesis today; it went rather well. I need a few days to digest all the new info and get back up to speed, but the posts can be transferred whenever you're ready.

You need to post factual information without making blanket statements, Purp. As of now I have no reason to believe you as you haven't addressed any of my points.

His blanket statement was a fact tho

[zemanjaski]

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Hi there old friend

[magicdownunder]

posts can be transferred whenever you're ready.

Ummm how would I go about transferring them back? (take em whenever )

[LP, of the Fires]

To add to my point, most of these RW decks are running two Chained maindeck. The only relevant thing Dreadbore can't hit that Chained can is Master of Waves. Postboard this is a wash because you can board in the removal suite that suits your needs. Want to kill Desecration Demon? Bring in extra Dreadbore and some Dark Betrayal. Need Master of Waves to die? Bring in Doom Blade. It's literally the same answers as RW postboard with different names on the cardboard and less vulnerability to removal like Abrupt Decay and Peak Eruption.

This makes no logical sense since your win% vs. these decks is exponentially higher when you can kill key cards and 1 deck does it consistently in all games while the other deck misses out on the ability 1/3 to 1/2 of
the time. Add in the fact that scrylands make one deck twice as consistent as the other(hyperbole).

Also, Sideboards. Whites sideboard options are IMO far superior. Black gets thoughtseize, erebos, whip, and maybe pack rat, along with miscellaneous terrors. White gets less good(though maindeckable) terrors, assemble, boros charm, and the flexibility of cute shit(wear//tear, legions initiative, tajic, etc.)

In other news, what do people think of Cifka's UW control deck with 4 maindeck last breaths? Certainly something I don't want to ever face >_>

[magicdownunder]

In other news, what do people think of Cifka's UW control deck with 4 maindeck last breaths? Certainly something I don't want to ever face >_>

Its quite common on MODO, but with less finishers and more control (which is harder imo). If your playing a variant with Dragons its much easier then traditional list.

[MattT]

More about RB: I agree that Exava is a nice finisher, but I don´t feel the manabase supports the T2 drops. Ashely + Jester is what I´d want and taplands wreck the curve in a sligh build. That´s the reason I tinker with YP. He solves the problem of no reliable T2 black source.

In any case this is the Pyro thread, so that´s what I post about here. In a sligh deck I´d pick either of Ashley and Jester for T2 plus something else and no taplands.

Exava is great when there are blockers to clean the field, but I feel that I´d rather want a finisher with some kind of evasion in Pyro. Dragon and Dog does that.

Ok and Doom Blade is conditional as fuck, are you gonna run 4 of those like you can run 4 Chained?

Chained cant hit Dragon or Baron. Thats it.

As I mentioned before. Baron is a non-issue in black. Erebos fixes that And Sphinx. And Gary.

[Lightning_Dolt]

You're from Boston, I just thought that was assumed?

Holy fuckin shit, didn't realize our reptution was so widespread!

I like to picture everyone from Boston as Mark in the Departed.

[RaidaTheBlade]

So, in my quest for a deck for the tourney saturday, I'm fairly set with the same 58/60 as pedros (i only run 3 muta, to help mana).

I am a little concerned about the sideboard though.

pedros sideboard was:

Sideboard 15
4 Firedrinker Satyr
2 Fanatic of Mogis
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Boros Charm
2 Last breath
3 Skullcrack

Vundo also had a potential sideboard:

SIDEBOARD
1 Rod of Ruin
2 Last Breath
2 Fanatic of
Mogis
2 Mizzium Mortars
4 Boros Charm
4 Skullcrack

And I've been testing my own thing recently as well:
Sideboard:
4 Mizzium Mortars
3 Skullcrack
3 Boros Charm
2 Fanatic of Mogis
2 Last Breath
1 Rod of Ruin


Each of these has different strengths. pedros has the satyr in the sb, so bringing in against control, whereas vundo brings in more skullcracks and boros charms for those matchups. I personally side in more mortars, to help deal with mono-u and other aggro-y decks.

What do y'all think about a good general sideboard for a tournament this weekend? (so post gp vienna meta still in full swing)

Also now testing:
Sideboard:
2 Firedrinker Satyr
2 Mizzium Mortars
3 Skullcrack
3 Boros Charm
2 Fanatic of Mogis
2 Last Breath
1 Rod of Ruin

Any thoughts NOW? ;P (Seriously though, halp e.e)