[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

[DroppinSuga]

You lost me at no guitar.

[Khaospawn]

Man, what I wouldn't give to have some homemade wine with ole Bocephus.

[RaidaTheBlade]

Dude, they don't need guitars. It's actually really good o.o

They've got a lot of other amazing songs, both covers and none-covers.

Like I said, I try to convert people to them whenever I can

[Wraith223]

Music is good according to the vehicle choice. My f-350 is good with talk radio and the sound track to Cowboys and Aliens.

My Nissan Titan is good with Batman Arckham City soundtrack or any Supernatural (Tv Show) music.

My grandads beat up and rusty 58 Chevy Apache is awsome with old country music.

I can't play music or sing to save my life, and not doing so has to save the known universe in some way.

Lastly muscle cars need no noise. The engine should keep you high or horny all the way.

[photodyer]

I'm going to jump in here as well...we get in some pretty regular musical debates around here being as my son is into classic rock backed up by immersion in symphonic and jazz forms as well as classical piano training, while my daughter takes the pure stereotypical Pop route that goes part and parcel with being a 13-year-old middle-class American girl. I had heavy musical influences across the spectrum and can find enjoyment in pretty much anything "musical". That is to say, I recognize the validity of Gangsta, MetalCore and other heavy expressions of dissent with the world, but I have no desire to listen to them as I don't agree with the lifestyle that drives the former and I get a headache from the latter. Again, just opinion.

Straight up serious--I would like someone to explain in OBJECTIVE terms what is wrong with Nickelback musically. Yes, their sound is relatively derivative, but not everyone who makes
it in music can be innovators...there has to be a center of the bell curve to define the deviations from that norm. I've seen them live--they play clean and quite honestly put on a good, high-energy show. So what makes them "bad"? I mean, I've seen Steven Tyler standing up on stage so fucked up that he couldn't remember lyrics much less perform, just as an example, but no one will debate Aerosmith's impact on music. Can anyone objectively explain what makes Nickelback "bad" in the wake of so many successful albums and songs?

And Jesus wept,people...damn near 30 posts since I started typing this!!

[Platypus]

Khaos - yeah and that sucks. What REALLY ruined St Anger more than anything was the production. That every song has Lars sound like he's playing drums on a trash can is just awful.

This. St. Anger is ok, except for the production. The same problem with Death Magnetic. Awesome music, but totally crap production. And of course Justice...but that's such an awesome record that you just don't care about the sound.

The worst Metallica record? The one that is so bad you lose sanity when you listen to it?

One word: Lulu

[Khaospawn]

Khaos - yeah and that sucks. What REALLY ruined St Anger more than anything was the production. That every song has Lars sound like he's playing drums on a trash can is just awful.

Trashcan is pretty accurate lol

I remember the first time I heard St. Anger. It was on the radio and they were previewing the track. After about 30 seconds in, I knew something had gone horribly wrong. To be fair, the live studio video with the CD was pretty cool. I wish all bands did that. As a guitar player, I love actually watching musicians do their thing.

[Khaospawn]

Now that Lou Reed is dead, I wonder if Lulu sales will spike lol

[Platypus]

I wouldn't take the record even if they pay me.

[TubeHunter]

Music is super subjective. I wouldn't fault anyone for their music choices. Me, I like anything with decent vocals. I remeber a talk about the band Rush a while back and I said I just don't enjoy them due to the vocalist. Like I said, subjective.

[Jack]

I don't see why nearly everyone has beef with Nickelback. It's also a pretty new trend. I've been familiar with the band and their music for about 8 years, but the vocal dislike has really only started popping up in the last 2. I know that a lot more people admitted to enjoying their music back in '05-'10, and honestly I felt that that was when they were at their worst. I don't like the band, but I recognize that that is just my (superior) tastes in music, and does not mean that they are terrible.

[Khaospawn]

Photo - in 50 years, will anybody say that Nickelback left anything worth remembering? Like Robert Johnson, Django Rheinhart (?), Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Black Sabbath, the Beatles, etc

Like Cedric Philips, Nickelback has done nothing to contribute to the music world. They exist in it. They do a lot of things right. But they have no substance.

With that said, I actually enjoy "Figured You Out. " But if I EVER have to listen to "How You Remind Me" again in my life, I will murder Chad Kroeger.

[Wraith223]

Photo - in 50 years, will anybody say that Nickelback left anything worth remembering? Like Robert Johnson, Django Rheinhart (?), Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Black Sabbath, the Beatles, etc

Like Cedric Philips, Nickelback has done nothing to contribute to the music world. They exist in it. They do a lot of things right. But they have no substance.

and yet they make more money than all of us.

[photodyer]

Khaos, thank you for making my point perfectly. Who CARES about where Nickelback is in 50 years? They are a decent band who has had a LOT of commercial success because Chad Kroeger really understands how to play the business. There were a ton of 80's hair bands who had a LOT less talent than Nickelback but who don't catch near the level of shit because they came and went. Nickelback is the epitome of a "solid B" student, and the simple fact is that not everyone can or should be A+ level innovators.

But just for the sake of argument, my bet is that there will be plenty of Nickelback played on classic rock stations down the road simply because they have had a very successful career. Again, I can totally accept people having opinions of what they choose to listen to, but that doesn't mean that a band deserves to be dumped on all the time just because they aren't defining the cutting edge.

EDIT - And for
the record, I don't accept the Ceddy comparison...he's an idiot who tries to have the "right opinion" by expressing every possible opinion available in a scattergun fashion while having no integrity or backbone. Nickelback's only "problem" is that they are simply "decent" rather than groundbreaking.

[Khaospawn]

[quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=148150#p148150:1k47w8eg]Wraith223 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:28 pm[/url:1k47w8eg]":1k47w8eg][quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=148146#p148146:1k47w8eg]Khaospawn » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:22 pm[/url:1k47w8eg]":1k47w8eg]Photo - in 50 years, will anybody say that Nickelback left anything worth remembering? Like Robert Johnson, Django Rheinhart (?), Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Black Sabbath, the Beatles, etc

Like Cedric Philips, Nickelback has done nothing to contribute to the music world. They exist in it. They do a lot of things right. But they have no substance.
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and yet they make more money than all of us. [/quote:1k47w8eg]
Can't argue with that.

[Khaospawn]

Khaos, thank you for making my point perfectly. Who CARES about where Nickelback is in 50 years? They are a decent band who has had a LOT of commercial success because Chad Kroeger really understands how to play the business. There were a ton of 80's hair bands who had a LOT less talent than Nickelback but who don't catch near the level of shit because they came and went. Nickelback is the epitome of a "solid B" student, and the simple fact is that not everyone can or should be A+ level innovators.

But just for the sake of argument, my bet is that there will be plenty of Nickelback played on classic rock stations down the road simply because they have had a very successful career. Again, I can totally accept people having opinions of what they
choose to listen to, but that doesn't mean that a band deserves to be dumped on all the time just because they aren't defining the cutting edge.

EDIT - And for the record, I don't accept the Ceddy comparison...he's an idiot who tries to have the "right opinion" by expressing every possible opinion available in a scattergun fashion while having no integrity or backbone. Nickelback's only "problem" is that they are simply "decent" rather than groundbreaking.

Agreed on all points. Even the Cedric Philips part.

Nickelback knows how to play "the game." They've admitted several times that they just want to make the poppiest album. They want all the hit songs. They want all the radio play.

What they are is a business. A very successful one. Are they pushing the envelope in musical exploration? Hell no. One way makes the money, the other earns respect. It's extremely hard to do both.

I personally do not endorse their brand. But I can't
deny that they're doing everything right.

[photodyer]

Agree back on all points...they are a recording exec's wet dream as they are workhorse producers. I like some of their stuff, and I don't mind having them on as background music when I just want consistently "listenable" background music that won't distract me overly much. I also appreciate that I can get them past my daughter as a substitute for her "choice" pop...they are a reasonable compromise.

[Khaospawn]

It could be worse, Jerry. Your daughter could be blasting dubstep.

[TubeHunter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W04IKR1E2M

I don't know what wrong with electronic music.

[DroppinSuga]

I think I may give Esper Control a shot.

[zemanjaski]

Ellie Goulding. That is all.

[LP, of the Fires]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tupb87ahm6M

Hip Hop all day mofo's.

I'll also give Cedric Philips this much: As long as a sufficiently large number of people enjoy his commentary(which they do) he's a net positive for magic as he attracts more viewers which results into more exposure, snowball effect blah blah blah.

He and Sully probably will be noteworthy in the magic community 10/20 years from now as the first commentating duo that stuck together and didn't put people to sleep(sorry BDM/Rich Hagon).

[zemanjaski]

They should get MJ to fri commentary again. The one off was hilarious.

[LP, of the Fires]

LSV needs to pseudo retire and be hired to all GP commentary in addition to the scrubout PT commentating.

He is BY FAR the best commentator I've ever heard regarding magic. Kibler wasn't bad an given the quality of MJs stream, I could see him being great.

[zemanjaski]

MJ spent the one time he commentated pointing out how crap everyone was. It was hilarious and I loved it, but it wasnt for everyone.

[hamfactorial]

The world needs more of MJ's dry derision, it would help keep everything in balance.

[Valdarith]

Re Nickleback: I've heard they are really good in concert from a lot of people and I don't doubt it. They're good performers. That said, my problem with them is that the lyrics in their songs are lifeless and inane, there is no innovation in their sound from track to track, and they sing about the same thing all the time. They're like the Taylor Swift of the rock world and that pisses me off.

Re MJ: he's a total asshole but I have a lot of respect for him. He has a lot of insight into the game but his condescending attitude can rub a lot of people the wrong way. That said, based on the quality of some questions he gets on his stream, I can totally get why he can be so offputting at times.

[photodyer]

It could be worse, Jerry. Your daughter could be blasting dubstep.

Honest to God, Khaos, I don't even mind good, hard-edged dubstep. I have a totally kickass dubstep of Super Mario Bros theme that serves as my ringtone for my boy, and some of the upper-end folks like Skrillex produce some undeniably innovative and edgy stuff. Particularly for dance clubs...driving,hypnotic stuff like that definitely has an animal allure.

[Lightning_Dolt]

I don't see why nearly everyone has beef with Nickelback. It's also a pretty new trend. I've been familiar with the band and their music for about 8 years, but the vocal dislike has really only started popping up in the last 2. I know that a lot more people admitted to enjoying their music back in '05-'10, and honestly I felt that that was when they were at their worst. I don't like the band, but I recognize that that is just my (superior) tastes in music, and does not mean that they are terrible.

I hated Nickleback since before it was cool to hate Nickleback lol.

Seriously though, I hated their first single, and they played that shit ad naseum. Especially in Canada. It seemed like it was ALWAYS on every station for about a
year. Same with the song from the Spider-Man sound track.

Fucking Canadian content laws.

[DocLawless]

When I heard Metallica picked up Robert Trujillo to play bass, my brain showed me pictures of Danny Trejo and I was very, very confused for a minute. True story.

[Kazekirimaru]

Well, took my Tele into Guitar Center. They offered me $500USD, I left with an "lolno"

Though one of the employees there asked me to hold onto it for a few days and took my name and number, so, there's that sliver of hope.

[Valdarith]

Well Canada gave us Three Days Grace so that sorta cancels out Nickleback.

[Helios]

Kaze: you aren't going to get what you paid for it, but Craigslist and paper ads are the best way to sell guitars. Ebay is a clusterfuck because of the fees, and you can't sell it back to a retailer because the profit margin on guitars is so damn high. Pawn shops are also a decent option.

Music is super subjective. I wouldn't fault anyone for their music choices. Me, I like anything with decent vocals. I remeber a talk about the band Rush a while back and I said I just don't enjoy them due to the vocalist. Like I said, subjective.

Check out Haim.

[Kazekirimaru]

Well Canada gave us Heart, Steppenwolf, and Rush so that sorta cancels out Nickleback.

[photodyer]

Well Canada gave us Heart, Steppenwolf, and Rush so that sorta cancels out Nickleback.

I fully endorse this message...

[Valdarith]

I was thinking more this generation. Obviously Rush is more than enough to cancel out Nickleback. Epic doesn't even begin to describe them.

[Jack]

I don't see why nearly everyone has beef with Nickelback. It's also a pretty new trend. I've been familiar with the band and their music for about 8 years, but the vocal dislike has really only started popping up in the last 2. I know that a lot more people admitted to enjoying their music back in '05-'10, and honestly I felt that that was when they were at their worst. I don't like the band, but I recognize that that is just my (superior) tastes in music, and does not mean that they are terrible.

I hated Nickleback since before it was cool to hate Nickleback lol.
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Pretty much. I was saying that the hate for them started coming when they were actually getting better. I guess the reason people started complaining about them is because they were becoming more popular, and started to be played on the radio way too often, and on more stations.

[Jack]

Oh, and for those of you who are unaware, raspy is doing God's work over in the watchdog forum.

I can not escape the worm. It is ever present. Every where I go I see evidence of its passing. Holes in walls. Evidence befouled. Vacant stares, as if gazing into an unfathomable abyss. It haunts my dreams. Taunts my soul. And yet I can not help but wonder if its motives are benign, driven purely by pleasure. Following the worm's path of licentious destruction may well be the key to our salvation.

Such poetry.
I also enjoyed some of the more subtle references to certain cards in some of the writing. Once I noticed the words "purge" and "profanity" in the same sentence, I started looking for more.
I think I forced the names of three different Magic cards into my English final last year. I was pretty proud of that.

[Link]

i just discovered that forum now after weeks of "what in the literal fuck are these corruption reports people keep referencin"

its glorious

[Khaospawn]

Freedom, there is no god here. Only Purphoros.




And Zuul.