Ragnarok Mafia (Scum Win) Tattered Banners and Bloody Flags

[rezombad]

"A Policy Lynch is one that is done for arbitrary reasons."

Hey Suga, you never answered my question earlier:
How many games have you completed with Tubehunter in which he is scum? Town?

[zemanjaski]

@ Kaze, cool, I'm the same

^____^

[DroppinSuga]

@Rambozod I was scum with him in one game and I know that he likes to lurk when he's scum. In n00b mafia he was town and he participated more if I remember correctly.

[Kazekirimaru]

"A Policy Lynch is one that is done for arbitrary reasons."

"Because meta" is arbitrary? No, no, no.

Lynching someone because they're spamming the thread with animal porn is a policy lynch.

Lynching someone because they have a history of playing against their win condition is a policy lynch.

Lynching someone because they're play in-game is consistent with past scum games is...a lynch.

[zemanjaski]

Ok until I hear more from my scumspects:
- Tubehunter;
- Hamfactorial;
- Stardust; and
- InflatiblePie

I have nothing more to add at this point.

Tubehunter is L-3?

[hamfactorial]

@ Stardust

I chopped your page 6 post up to just address the 2 questions pointed at me.

I didn't imply Z was mafia aligned, just giving my thoughts about him in response to TH asking me about him and Stardust.

Who do you think is mafia aligned?

The players who are on my watch list are TubeHunter, Kaze, you and InflatablePie. This isn't to say that I think you're mafia, but that there is enough information for me to sift through that I might get useful reads later. I'm looking for nearly any reason to fill the list of scummy
suspects, so I'm sure I have false positives. There may be lurking scum that I haven't noticed (Lord_McDonald, for example), but they don't post enough to be on my radar. I went over this in my conversation with Kaze.

Any day 1 lynch is more likely to be town than scum, given no strong information.

What about Stardust scumslipping all
over Valhalla?

That is very confusing to me. He's either acting silly on purpose to draw information out or playing next level mind games to make people reading him as scum look scummy. The signal/noise ratio is low, so any read on him feels weak.

Oh man, why are you NOT voting for me? Can you explain my scum slip and how you think it could possibly be me fishing for reactions?

I voted you for lullz during the RVS stage and then unvoted you when I saw mention of you at L-2. I didn't want to be part of a flash lynch overnight, especially not having read anything between my first post and the end of page #4. I can see your "scum slip" (note that I never called it that, just unusual) from both sides. If you're town, talking about town MO, you could be trying to draw attention to yourself to generate discussion. Taking notice of who piles on could give you a short list of scum suspects to watch out for. As mafia, this could be an easy way
to explain this away later with "how could I be scum? Would scum try to appear town this clumsily?" Maybe you're not aligned with either town or mafia, but there's no 3rd party stuff mentioned in the game's first post.

[rezombad]

@Rambozod I was scum with him in one game and I know that he likes to lurk when he's scum. In n00b mafia he was town and he participated more if I remember correctly.

I dont think two games is enough to establish a trend.

@kaze: I apologize for my misuse of terminology.

[zemanjaski]

Would you hammer Tubehunter Rez?

[Kazekirimaru]

The players who are on my watch list are TubeHunter, Kaze, you and InflatablePie.

Hey, cool! Someone is watching me! ^^ Tell me all about me, ham.

And them, too.

@kaze: I apologize for my misuse of terminology.

It's kay. Just don't do it again or I'll policy lynch you.

[hamfactorial]

@James:

With regards to TubeHunter, his play lately is similar to his scumplay in the game I modded; and I really, really, REALLY hate how he handwaved the contradiction pointed out earlier. He is a scumread to me thus far.

I'm moving around a lot in an attempt to not fall into stupid habits. I'm trying to outline and fix some of my weaknesses as a scumhunter this game, and a big one is deathtunnelling my first scumread. Plus I feel applying pressure everywhere is more productive than my old strategy of deathtunnels, copious amounts of <3, and fuck bitches fuck bitches fuck bitches. Plus that playstyle generally makes people sad and discourages newbies from playing again, and Iso specifically told me not
to be a belligerent asshole this game(I PM'd him pregame asking where the boundaries of "sportsmanship" lie.) So, yeah.

I do not support LynchAllLiars. Being a player who gambits regularly, that's obviously a poor choice for me. ;D

As far as calling you James, it's just easier for me. zemanjaski is too long to keep repeating it, Z is kinda ambiguous, and zeman just feels awkward to me. I do, however, like the way you're thinking here.

My emphasis added to the first response to Z. If Kaze was town, why mention that he's scumhunting actively? I don't know his usual playstyle, but those who have played with him before might know if this is out of character.

[zemanjaski]

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I see you Tubehunter.

[rezombad]

Would you hammer Tubehunter Rez?

not at this time.

[TubeHunter]

Regarding my ham posts:

The first one I admit is an ask for a post. But it needs context. At that point, ham had a lonley rvs vote, (right after stardust's post no less) so I wanted to know what he thought of stardust's "gambit".

The second might be construed as an ask for more posts, but to me, it was a general question that was intended to generate more reactions.

As for lying. I forgot about the first post. It's dumb, and not going to help me at all, but its the truth and its what I unfortunately have to stand by.

Are there any other specific questions Z? I'm just now getting to the last couple of pages. (damn this game is moving fast)

Pedit: I'm sure you do see me zem... (just find it funny that both times you've said that to me i've been making a post)

[InflatablePie]

The players who are on my watch list are TubeHunter, Kaze, you and InflatablePie. This isn't to say that I think you're mafia, but that there is enough information for me to sift through that I might get useful reads later. I'm looking for nearly any reason to fill the list of scummy suspects, so I'm sure I have false positives. There may be lurking scum that I haven't noticed (Lord_McDonald, for example), but they don't post enough to be on my radar. I went over this in my conversation with Kaze.

so the guy who's come under scrutiny for posting a lot or claiming he caught scum on p1 or... whatever else, idk, the guy who's been wagoned for an "RVS" gambit, the guy who's currently being wagoned for either meta or not being
protown, and... Kaze I guess. ok.

looking for nearly any reason to fill a scumlist... ... ... ... I'm not even going to say anything about that.

do you have a scumread or townread on Lord_M?

[Yannaria]

has stardust claimed like for real

[Yannaria]

or is he not because he hit l-2 like randomly

[zemanjaski]

@ Tube
- when are you going to make some actual analysis? You said that you would when done with other commitments (#197). You're now posting on DTR again so I expect done actual content soon. Not more rubbish like #141;
- why ask ham specifically for more content after less than a day when other posters had also only made a single rvs vote?
- why were you so dismissive of arguments then defensive when a few of us voted for you?

To expand that last point, please explain the town behaviour in posts:
- 179 and
- 186.

What do you think of Kaze's behaviour so far? Provide examples for your assertions.

[InflatablePie]

wait, ham, this is your first or one of your first games, correct?

[zemanjaski]

[quote=Tubehunter]
The second might be construed as an ask for more posts, but to me, it was a general question that was intended to generate more reactions.[/quote]

This is hilarious. You asked him to 'post more'; how can that be anything but an 'ask for more posts'. Please explain ASAP.

[TubeHunter]

I want to hear from ham ASAP as well

The second might be construed as an ask for more posts, but to me, it was a general question that was intended to generate more reactions.

This is hilarious. You asked him to 'post more'; how can that be anything but an 'ask for more posts'. Please explain ASAP.

Yep, that definitly says "post more". Again, why don't you read before saying these things.

[TubeHunter]

Uh mod, i accedentally fucked up.

I thought i pressed quote on my post on page 4, but i accidentally clicked edit...

now its what i wanted to post on this page....

What should we do?

[rezombad]

has stardust claimed like for real

No he hasn't "for obvious reasons(sic)"

[rezombad]

Uh mod, i accedentally fucked up.

I thought i pressed quote on my post on page 4, but i accidentally clicked edit...

now its what i wanted to post on this page....

What should we do?

select all, copy, close the tab, open a new page, post it.

[TubeHunter]

No i mean the post is gone and what's there now is the edit.

I'll see if someone quoted the old post and put it back in there.

[TubeHunter]

I'd rather much have Iso look at it first before acting on it.

[zemanjaski]

I want to hear from ham ASAP as well

The second might be construed as an ask for more posts, but to me, it was a general question that was intended to generate more reactions.

This is hilarious. You asked him to 'post more'; how can that be anything but an 'ask for more posts'. Please explain ASAP.

Yep, that definitly says "post more". Again, why don't you read before saying these things.

Excuse me scum, but you wrote that it wasn't a request for more
posts.

Now you're saying it was?

You're very good at forgetting what you've said aren't you?

Explain.

Also, Kaze and Rez; you think he's playing indignant town? From reading his history elsewhere I've seen him react like this as scum.

[TubeHunter]

Oh damn, I know what you mean now! Yes, my post was intended to get more posts, but I only wanted a specific post, one in which ham explained his thoughts on stardust. Lulz. Oops, dumbass am i.

I understand Z, but misery loves company, so you might just have to join me.

[hamfactorial]

wait, ham, this is your first or one of your first games, correct?

Yes, first game.

[zemanjaski]

In other games where you've got into trouble you've reacted exactly like this. Everyone please go look at his other games on this site.

Also, answer my questions, I made them clear enough for you. Refer to post #297.

[Kazekirimaru]

Uh mod, i accedentally fucked up.

I thought i pressed quote on my post on page 4, but i accidentally clicked edit...

now its what i wanted to post on this page....

What should we do?

You must be modkilled for editing.

(not really)

Also, Kaze and Rez; you think he's playing indignant town? From reading his history elsewhere I've seen him react like this as scum.

TubeHunter? Can't tell if legitimately derping off or not.

[hamfactorial]

The players who are on my watch list are TubeHunter, Kaze, you and InflatablePie. This isn't to say that I think you're mafia, but that there is enough information for me to sift through that I might get useful reads later. I'm looking for nearly any reason to fill the list of scummy suspects, so I'm sure I have false positives. There may be lurking scum that I haven't noticed (Lord_McDonald, for example), but they don't post enough to be on my radar. I went over this in my conversation with Kaze.

so the guy who's come under scrutiny for posting a lot or claiming he
caught scum on p1 or... whatever else, idk, the guy who's been wagoned for an "RVS" gambit, the guy who's currently being wagoned for either meta or not being protown, and... Kaze I guess. ok.

looking for nearly any reason to fill a scumlist... ... ... ... I'm not even going to say anything about that.

do you have a scumread or townread on Lord_M?

I don't yet, he hasn't posted anything of note unless I missed it.

[Kazekirimaru]

The players who are on my watch list are TubeHunter, Kaze, you and InflatablePie.

Hey, cool! Someone is watching me! ^^ Tell me all about me, ham.

And them, too.

[Kazekirimaru]

I forgot LMD was actually in this game.

[zemanjaski]

@ Kaze, re: Tubehunter. His next post needs to answer all my questions properly. No more deflections, no more clever remarks or forgetfulness. His reactions to even slight pressure are clearly anti-town. Even noob town would make some effort to answer properly and scum hunt. Tube just avoids and deflects, both of which favour scum. If he is innocent he should clear himself.

@ Everyone, thoughts?

[Kazekirimaru]

What's tube at nowadays?

[hamfactorial]

The players who are on my watch list are TubeHunter, Kaze, you and InflatablePie.

Hey, cool! Someone is watching me! ^^ Tell me all about me, ham.

And them, too.

I posted that snippet about you discussing your scumhunting behavior. That's strange to me, but I don't have anything else to go on.

Stardust is there because of the confusing town MO post.

Pie because of the first
page strangeness about defending me. Weak reason, but I'm being inclusive here.

TH because of the twisting definition of "asking to post" and Z's meta analysis.

[zemanjaski]

Ham would you consider voting Tube Hunter now? I ask because you're not voting for anyone yet and you've acknowledged his questionable behaviour. You'll also recall that he reacted poorly to accuing votes earlier. I'd like to see how another vote pressures him.

[Kazekirimaru]

I'd like to see how another vote pressures him.

Hi.

Unvote;

Vote: TubeHunter

[TubeHunter]

My time to claim:

I am Odin, father of the gods (town obv.), neighbor to Hamfactorial and Zemanjaski (Huginn and Muninn respectively) Too bad I don't have the knowlege of their alignments. Thankfully what I do have, however, is a one shot vig that i can point at one of my neighbors.... So Z... Wanna die?

[Kazekirimaru]

Ham and James, do you confirm your neighbor outing you both like a bitch?