Checkbox Mafia - Day 3 (Abandoned)

[Void]

@Iso:
How certain are you that imopen is Scum?

Stardust?:
My vote moved because Tube's post was significantly worse than Murphy. While Murphy was being opportunistic in his jump he could still be Town.

But what Tube posted does not come from a Town mindset at all. He's trying to take a free lynch where he can get it and "hoping" that he hits Scum. The timing of the vote also looks like a counter wagon to imopen. If imopen flips Scum, then Tube is likely his buddy. But I am more certain of Tube than I am imopen.

[Slowpoke]

@Iso: What "cookie jar" do you think I got caught stealing from?

[Second Harkius]

Official Votecount (at Yanni's request):

rezombad (1): Wheat_Grinder
Slowpoke (2): Cursed_Pride, Stardust
imopen2 (3): Slowpoke, Iso, Kazekirimaru
Tubehunter (1): Void
Stardust (1): rezombad
not voting (4): Tubehunter, Captain Murphy, rednihilist, imopen2

[imopen2]

Not that I'm opposed to it because I'll never understand Iso's opening posts, but does someone want to explain why that's a scumslip?

So here you don't understand the votes on iso?...but then you vote him anyways? This is terrible.

@kaze, stardust and slowpoke: why did you blindly vote iso without knowledge of how it was a slip?

I didn't care about that scumslip nonsense. I just hopped on the
wagon because it was there.

I still hate this mentality.

That was in response to rezombad. Didn't see the second page.

To answer Captain, I voted Iso because the way he tried to format "town" is not the same as is written in my role PM. Weak, but good enough to generate a discussion and a decent wagon to analyze. I assumed that was the slip rezombad was talking about.

More importantly, what "knowledge" do you have that I don't?

I didn't know how it was a slip, so I didn't vote. I was waiting to see how it was a slip and I still don't see the reason for the 4 votes to be placed.

nThis This This. I don't see the town motivation in voting before thinking like Slowpoke did.

It wasn't a random wagon, it was the first wagon. And you don't need reasoning in RVS.

You're being obtuse on purpose.

Unvote: Iso

Vote: Captain Murphy

I would say the first wagon was on Rezombad, no? Why didn't you vote him?

My brain hurts already.
So, we're 12, how much scum are we supposed to face?
Also, right now lynching is at 7 votes, right?

Well this is a pretty useless post...

Iso said that it was a joke (which may or may not be true), and I may or may not have voted Iso as a joke.

@rezombad: Are you so self-absorbed to think that I blindly followed you? Doesn't the fact that I asked a question mean that I did NOT blindly follow you?

@Captain Murphy: Are you also unable to read posts? lurk moar then ask questions that make sense. I did not blindly vote Iso.

@Stardust: Iso knew that his formatting did not match the PMs, due to the SAMPLE ROLE PMs in the OP. It wasn't a real slip, Iso (as always) knew exaclty what he was doing.

@Kaze: Did you also not read the OP? Iso bolded "Town" when they are not bolded in the PMs.

Unvote.

Vote: Kaze

Ok so now you aren't sure if iso's "slip" was a joke...
but you have knowledge of iso's intentions...and you voted for a reason?

Random thought here, but from reading Kazekirimaru's posts it feels like he's not really trying to analyze the reactions to the RVS wagon at all, just more like.. caring about defending himself. He belittles Captain Murphy for voting him and does some more defense stuff. He then complains about differentiating metas, and still no analyzing his votes on the wagon or analyzing the reactions to his vote on Iso.

This is a fair assessment. I switched gears from RVS wagons & such to my own wagon because of how hard and blatantly Captain and Rezombad were pushing it.

nSo you voted for the rvs wagon in order to get out of rvs and have something to analyze, but instead of analyzing it you switched to defending yourself when you didn't even know the votecount? (earlier you were surprised that you were at L-2).

Stardust's vote probably was not serious. Confirm/deny, Stardust?

I didn't want to lynch Iso at that time, but my vote was serious.

Why did you vote for someone you didn't want to lynch? Did you really think you could pressure iso of all people?

[quote="Stardust » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:46 pm":
32t8ysv3][...]My vote was as serious as any vote can be fresh out of RVS[...][/quote]

so you agree that rvs was over at the point of your vote?

Void I hate you but I get the feeling you are scum so I don't actually hate you.

[...]

I'm busy remind me to say why Slowpoke is town later.

1. wat?
2. can you tell me why slowpoke is town now?

@Wheat: What makes you think Murphy is town? Cause I'm seeing scumCM as a lot more plausible than scumKaze in their exchange.

@CursedPride: You are calling out rezombad and myself for RVS votes. Suga got lynched in Kaze's newbie mafia for this.

I voted Iso
because reasons, I just didn't feel like sharing those reasons. And I initially saw Kaze's play as scummy (as many do and have), but have since come around on him.

The contradiction of post #127. this "gambit" you pulled is so scum

imopen2 and CM are looking very scummy focusing on some very clear RVS votes

contradiction after contradiction. you are scum. Vote Slowpoke

@imopen: I wanted to see how you'd react, and you did NOT disappoint.

My Iso vote was RVS. My vote on you is not.

Well, it wasn't "random", persay - but I did not vote him because I thought he was scummy and wanted him lynched.

So let's see...first your vote was rvs, then it was maybe a joke...or maybe you had a reason, then it was rvs and you had a reason (in the same post), then it was clearly rvs, then it was rvs...but not random. Notice the wording is the same as what stardust used earlier to explain his vote on iso? trying to get off easy by sheeping someone else's response? I wish I could vote you twice.

I just want to say that while I don't really feel scum-vibes from Kaze, I can't label him as town either.
It's just that I can understand his state of mind after following other posts from him in Bioshock (same goes for Stardust's hiatus), but being able to understand one's frustration and reading his alignment are two different things.

Kaze: keep your shit together and try to come up with some kind of read of the situation rather than being so condescending.

With that said, I want to hear what Void wants to tell us.

Another pretty useless post by Red. a fence sit and calling other players out for not contributing. Red is likely scum

@Iso: My initial vote on you was just because I don't like your first posts. I also wanted to see
everyone react to the additional pressure despite it being an RVS vote; we all clearly got some great information from that wagon.

how could you possibly gain any information from people reacting to your "rvs" vote when you yourself seem to have no idea whether it was an rvs vote or not?

Welcome Tubehunter, tell us something.

why don't YOU tell us something?

Okay. Can you
tell me how you're feeling about that? More confident, more casual, what?

I still find everything incredibly difficult, yet I feel like I "know" people like for example you and Kaze a little more.
Being a little more familiar with the environment makes posting a lot less stressful... I'm just a different kind of newbye now. I guess

Hmm...maybe you're just a really really slow learner you need to give us something, Red! nearly 300 posts in at this point and all you've said is kaze is probably town.

So red, got any actuall reads? Anyone who you think is scum?

I get bad vibes from Void, Rezombad and Slowpoke.
I don't know if I want to add imopen2 to the list as well.

No strong reads from here, though.

What about you?

Could you try to do a little post analysis to back any of these reads up? I'm especially interested in why you get "bad vibes" from void.


Curse_Pride: i'm confused about post #282. what exactly is your read on me?

ok I got to post 292 and my brain is fried...i'll try to get to the rest tomorrow. I know I said I would look into rezombad in this post but I didn't get to the stardust/rezo fight yet so i'll save that for tomorrow as well.

[Kazekirimaru]

I like how imopen has switched from trying not to alienate anyone to overtly discrediting everyone who is accusing him. That's the way to town it up, for sure.

[imopen2]

I like how imopen has switched from trying not to alienate anyone to overtly discrediting everyone who is accusing him. That's the way to town it up, for sure.

I'll let you actually read my post and then you can try this again

[Kazekirimaru]

Here, let me rephrase:

You and Slowpoke are scumbffs cross-bussing.

[Iso]

@Iso:
How certain are you that imopen is Scum?

96%.

@Iso: What "cookie jar" do you think I got caught stealing from?

Your explanation for voting me.

I can correct my typos, obviously I'm not drunk enough yet.

Maybe I need to use my iPod to post, I tend to miss the touch screen keys a lot.

Here, let me rephrase:

You and Slowpoke are scumbffs cross-bussing.[/quote:
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yes

[imopen2]

Here, let me rephrase:

You and Slowpoke are scumbffs cross-bussing.

so you read my post twice but didn't answer my question to you. try again

[Kazekirimaru]

Fuck your questions. Rezombad was never a wagon.

[imopen2]

Fuck your questions. Rezombad was never a wagon.

I think if you look back you will see he was

[Kazekirimaru]

There were a grand total of two votes on rezombad page one, then Iso happened. He was the only wagon when I came on the scene.

Even if that weren't the case I'm lost as to what your point is.

[imopen2]

There were a grand total of two votes on rezombad page one, then Iso happened. He was the only wagon when I came on the scene.

Even if that weren't the case I'm lost as to what your point is.

In the morning I will go find your post where you told me it doesn't matter how many posts there are in a wagon.

The point is that you had two wagons to choose from and you chose iso's.

[Kazekirimaru]

Don't bother, I remember that post. You seriously have an issue discerning the difference between a wagon and just votes on a player, don't you?

A wagon isn't a wagon unless it has direction. It has to be going somewhere. It has to have direction, intent, and people actively pushing it. Bandwagons are made for lynching, claiming, pressuring, getting reactions and the like. Can you really look at the two votes on rezombad on page one and tell me honestly that it fits the aforementioned criteria?

Regardless of your answer, the correct answer is no and that's that.

Now I must restate, what is your point?

[Iso]

wait so you think people were pushing me in a direcationa/? was it up or down or backwards or what?

[imopen2]

Don't bother, I remember that post. You seriously have an issue discerning the difference between a wagon and just votes on a player, don't you?

A wagon isn't a wagon unless it has direction. It has to be going somewhere. It has to have direction, intent, and people actively pushing it. Bandwagons are made for lynching, claiming, pressuring, getting reactions and the like. Can you really look at the two votes on rezombad on page one and tell me honestly that it fits the aforementioned criteria?

Regardless of your answer, the correct answer is no and that's that.

Now I must restate, what is your point?

Yea, I'm not that good at mafia yet, but to me, when wheat said it was a "serious vote" on Rezombad, he formed a wagon
on him. I don't know how a wagon is supposed to have "direction" but it seems like there was intent and someone pushing it. The iso wagon did form rather soon after so I guess it's not a big deal. The point was I did a reread and marked down things of interest that I saw.

[RedNihilist]

vote Slowpoke

I feel like it's time to put some pressure on him - that should bring the guy to L-3 if I'm still able to count properly.

[Kazekirimaru]

Will work 4 flip

[rezombad]

vote Slowpoke

I feel like it's time to put some pressure on him - that should bring the guy to L-3 if I'm still able to count properly.

You're not able to count properly. that puts him at l-4

[imopen2]

vote Slowpoke

I feel like it's time to put some pressure on him - that should bring the guy to L-3 if I'm still able to count properly.

You're not able to count properly. that puts him at l-4

no, I voted him so in my catchup post so that is 4 votes. unfortunately I haven't gotten any time today to finish my reread =/

[rezombad]

You and your never voting on a new line.

[imopen2]

You and your never voting on a new line.

sorry, daddy

[Kazekirimaru]

I sure love stagnating games.

Can we flip imopen please? I'm bored and that dude's got a red PM fo sho.

[Wheat_Grinder]

Man I suck at keeping promises related to this game.

I'm also losing a hold of my reads. I trust old Wheat, let's see what he says about dudes.

Yeah he says imopen2 is scum let's do it. And yeah that's right about rezombad; he's probably a case of being too scummy to actually be scum. Though again, I do need to look more into that. Slowpoke is town via imopen2 being scum so I don't support that lynch. Kaze is of course town.

Is my only scumread (besides the one on rezombad which I think is false) on imopen2? Who's in this game that I can't remember? Oh yeah TubeHunter is scum too as I recall. I'll have something proper on that later and by later I mean never from the current state of things.

I have no idea who the last scum is. I'd put bets on Iso, Murphy, Stardust, if it's not rezombad. Stardust keeps waffling back and forth between townie posts and posts that feel subtly off to me, Murphy is only
really town in my books because he made me say "mah nigga" and I've had trouble correctly reading him objectively before, and Iso is Iso. The rest are pretty townie in my books.

I should make an actual legitimate post describing this all better. Maybe I'll do that tomorrow.

Unvote, Vote: imopen2

[Void]

V/LA until tuesday. Family emergency.

[Iso]

Progress!

[Cursed_Pride]

Can you remind me why you're so sure Slowpoke is scum?

Slowpoke (Badly defended himself, same caution tell, bad hop on Iso/Kaze wagon)

Why would you ask this if your vote is already on Slowpoke? It feels like someone asking this would be voting on another wagon.

I'm also wondering where Captain_Murphy is. Did he get sick with Yannaria?

Slowpoke, can you please answer my question on my previous post?

imopen2, I think you're scummy but I would much rather lynch Slowpoke and evaluate you from there. Slowpoke's a stronger read for me.

Will work 4 flip

n
Agreed. (would rather prefer a Slowpoke flip, but this day has been dragging on and on)

[Slowpoke]

Let me save you (and everyone else) the trouble.

I am Manasjap, Town Lurker. Once per night, I can target a player and see who that player targets as well as who targets that player.

[Kazekirimaru]

If you're going to commit premature claimulation, at least full claim.

[Slowpoke]

Literally the only other thing in my role PM is the victory condition.

[Kazekirimaru]

Fakeclaim.

My role PM has flavor, why not yours?

[Slowpoke]

Oh, and the small amount of flavor.

[Slowpoke]

-.- literally as I was posting that.

[Slowpoke]

I read the entire TBGTE, and I am a know all.

[Slowpoke]

In other news, can we lynch imopen2 yet?

[Kazekirimaru]

SO you just happened it forget it the first time. Right.

Hai everyone else, thoughts?

[imopen2]

I have flavor in my pm as well. also only one line...idk how I feel about the adding it later part.

[TubeHunter]

Im not sure how to take it, seems genuine enough, though there isn't really enough to go on to double check the flavor in the game. So grain of salt is my guess. Don't know if that is enough to lynch him though, even though i would like to in all honesty

[Cursed_Pride]

So we have a Watcher/Tracker role claim.

If the real investigative type role would like to counterclaim, here's your chance. Otherwise, Slowpoke is cleared and we should go after TubeHunter or imopen.

[TubeHunter]

Lets just lynch imopen, he's the strongest scumread and the day has dragged on far too long for my liking.

Vote: Imopen