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Oh, almost forgot it, but I did get to pull the fun of bloodrushing and recurring in the same round. My opponent couldn't believe it was legit. He called a judge over who told him it was completely cool. Dude wasn't particularly happy
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I think that Firedrinker Satyr pump don't does combat damage and you can't do that you wrote. Or I'm wrong? Pyrewild Shaman specificity " Combate Damage" in his ability.You could blow his mind with:
"I have 10 mana. I swing with Ash Zealot and Rakdos Cackler. Bloodrush onto Zealot. FS damage trigger. Recurr. Bloodrush onto Cackler. Recur."
That'd give him some serious MTG cancer.
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Went 4-0-2 into top 8. Someone wanted to play the top 8 out (sadly), and I made top 4 but lost. Netted $16 store credit instead of my usual $20, still picked up the Naya EDH deck that I basically paid $21 for. Not bad, got my Xmas present for my girl, and made some good trades (see clan thread).
Round 1 was against Maze's End, Round 2 or 3 was against a Selesbian? I don't remember the other round, Round 4 was Barely Boros/White Weenie, round 5 was a draw against Mono-U (lost when we played it out), round 6 was GR Ramp (2-1 when we played it out).
Top 8 was against Esper Control, then Mono-U again. I still suck at sideboarding for mono-U. Lost Game 2 due to not being able to push through two points of damage. Game 1 he was stuck on 3 mana but still just flooded the board with creatures.
Round 1 was against Maze's End, Round 2 or 3 was against a Selesbian? I don't remember the other round, Round 4 was Barely Boros/White Weenie, round 5 was a draw against Mono-U (lost when we played it out), round 6 was GR Ramp (2-1 when we played it out).
Top 8 was against Esper Control, then Mono-U again. I still suck at sideboarding for mono-U. Lost Game 2 due to not being able to push through two points of damage. Game 1 he was stuck on 3 mana but still just flooded the board with creatures.
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MDU is rather accurate about Pyrewild Shaman and [card]Titan's Strength[/card]. While the latter is a one-shot, it's cheaper and you can use it defensively while netting a token with Pyro as well. So my current 75 goes like
[deck]18 Mountain
4 Mutavault
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Ash Zealot
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Chandra's Phoenix
2 Chandra, Best Card in Standard
3 Shock
3 Titan's Strength
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Flames of the Firebrand
Sideboard
1 Shock
2 Hammer of Purphoros
4 Mizzium Mortars
3 Skullcrack
2 Act of Treason
1 Flames of the Firebrand
2 Rod of Ruin[/deck]
2 win against Gr (Of course, I sent in the air-rade phoenix) in 2-mans. Nothing like killing off that Caryatid to set in the fear to block.
[deck]18 Mountain
4 Mutavault
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Ash Zealot
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Chandra's Phoenix
2 Chandra, Best Card in Standard
3 Shock
3 Titan's Strength
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Flames of the Firebrand
Sideboard
1 Shock
2 Hammer of Purphoros
4 Mizzium Mortars
3 Skullcrack
2 Act of Treason
1 Flames of the Firebrand
2 Rod of Ruin[/deck]
2 win against Gr (Of course, I sent in the air-rade phoenix) in 2-mans. Nothing like killing off that Caryatid to set in the fear to block.
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I suppose you always have removals and untapped mana to make it unfavorable to cast it.
Of course, you certainly don't want too many of them, so a 2-of and 3-of sounds good enough for me. I still haven't gotten any counter-interaction against it just yet. (Oh, you Last Breath/Shock that 2/2? Let me give it a boost.)
Of course, you certainly don't want too many of them, so a 2-of and 3-of sounds good enough for me. I still haven't gotten any counter-interaction against it just yet. (Oh, you Last Breath/Shock that 2/2? Let me give it a boost.)
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[card]Titan's Strength[/card] is a dead card in many MUs, except for Gr/Gu and MonoU where its fantastic.I laughed at my opponent for having two Titan's Strength in hand after I fried ll his creatures. RDW / variants don't want any dead cards... not sure we want that card at all.
When I did run them I had 1/1 split between MD/SB.
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Edit(s): Now 7-2 in Magic Online Championship Series 11: Finals
G1: Gr (WIN)
G2: Esper Control (WIN)
G3: Wr Weenies (Todd Anderson) (LOSS)
G4[/b:
l2re74m6]: Esper Control (WIN)
G5: Gr (WIN)
G6: Esper Control (Luis Scott-Vargas) (WIN)
G7: MonoBlue Devotion (LOSS)
G8: MonoBlack Devotion (WIN)
G9: Esper Control (WIN)
Progress Notes:
Well... at least I have 12 THS Boosters, if MODO messes with the other players enough and I win the final game I have a shot at 24 THS booster - sers. that pairing error on G7... gah need to stop thinking about it.
My Gosh MODO messed this MOCS hard, we all got massed ejected on Round 8 - some people didn't get back in time, Kibler who was going 7-0 got timebooted (which may mean he got kicked out).
Heh this
would be the type of mess up which puts me back on 24 Boosters
Confirmed Kibler was dropped from the whole event, which shakes everything up, what suck is Wizard won't really compensate him at all since he'll get 24 THS booster just by standing.
Conclusion
Fuck you wizard and your messed up pairing system, honestly if top 32 is even, why would you pair TWO people down and other TWO up - if it wasn't for G7 I could be in top8 - but since it happened I don't even know if I got 24 Boosters or not.
I feel kinda cheated this mocs, but I'm sure Kibler has it worst.
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Finally back from the Platinum Qualifier. 73 players; 7 rounds of Swiss, then Top 8.
[deck]
Creatures
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Ash Zealot
3 Young Pyromancer
3 Firefist Striker
4 Chandra's Phoenix
Land
12 Mountain
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Sacred Foundry
2 Mutavault
Other Spells
3 Shock
1 Flames of the Firebrand
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Chained to the Rocks
Planeswalkers
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
Sideboard
4 Boros Reckoner
2 Chained to the Rocks
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Boros Charm
3 Skullcrack
1 Flames of the Firebrand
1 Assemble the Legion
[/deck]
I ultimately went 5-2-0, tieing for 8th place but being shoved out of the 8th seed because #8 was granted a bye in his first round which supercede's my efforts. This actually isn't the first time this has
happened to me ;\ Even though we ended with the same record, his OMW%, GW%, and OGW% were waaaaaaay higher then everyone else's. This was also the first time I've been in such a ridiculously competitive scene (I've only ever done FNMs), everyone there was on their A game and they made sure that I felt the sting and burn of my mistakes. Not that it's an excusable excuse, but I had to work the night prior. So, getting off right from work I headed to the tournament. Surprisingly I was wide awake once everything started to roll, which was thankful but I can recall 3 times that I made misplays, one of which I knew I was feeling "bored" and "tired". It actually cost me a game, but not the match ;\
Brandon Nelson was also in attendance. He was playing Esper Control, moving his way into Top8. He brought a bunch of his posse from his LGS to the tournament, I think he was the only one to get into the Top8 though.
As for my matches. Every single match went to 3 games
Match 1: vs BW Devotion 2-1 (1-0) otP
Nothing special here, just your typical Mono Black Devotion, but with a splash of white.
Match 2: vs Mono White 2-1 (2-0) otD
I really hate this match up unless I can draw into a Flames of the Firebrand, but even then, if the spear resolves I'm almost a goner. Fiendslayer Paladin is a huge issue too. Flames, Reckoner, and Chains were MVP for sure.
Match 3: vs Naya Control 1-2 (2-1) otP
It was a pretty easy match up honestly, except in Game 2 I had to mull to 5 which hurt as he was able to start establishing SBD's and AoF on the field Game 3 ended in an incredible play that I credited to my opponent. I was at 11 life with 2 Chandra's Phoenix's on the field. He was at 7 life with a Stormbreath Dragon on the field. I figured his option was
to either keep as blocks or to make Monstrosity and swing in to bring me to 1. He instead Mizzium'd the field, leaving me with nothing. My turn I proceed to top deck a Boros Charm, which would have been enough if my Phoenix's had survived. It was an incredible maneuver by him, but makes complete sense because it was a 2-turn clock regardless.
Match 4: vs GW Aggro 1-2 (2-2) otD
Always a tough match up, always seems to go 50/50 and seeing as I was on the draw, I didn't get the benefit of the doubt I really, really want to bring in Act of Treasons somehow to deal with GW and GR decks. Mainly because I had him on the ropes where he had a field he couldn't swing into because of my Boros Reckoner's, but I also couldn't swing into because the Reckoner's wouldn't finish the job nor could I afford to let creatures get through to me the next turn, dealing lethal. With Chandra, Pyromaster out I was
able to get him to 1 life, but it wasn't enough. Chandra revealed a Shock which was 1 damage too short. If it was anything else other then Magma Jet, I could have survived and won the match
Match 5: BG Devotion 2-1 (3-2) otD
Nothing special here, definitely a much harder version to deal with opposed to BU or BW Devotion. Abrupt Decay is annoying as hell to deal with when they're snatching your Chains away ;;
Match 6: BG Devotion 2-1 (4-2) otD
Same match up, different person. Assemble the Legion won it for me. So legit. 3 Desecration Demons out, I had 8 Soldier tokens out. HAHA! Yea....
Match 7: RB Control 2-1 (5-2) otP
Quite an easy match up, but this is where my fatigue factored in and made me lose a game, game 2 ;; I could have killed his SBD with Mizzium and still sac'd my creature to Desecration, then recurring my Phoenix with Chandra,
Pyromaster. Sadly, I did make the mistake and it stung, but I was able to fight back and smash him hard in Game3 like I did in Game1.
Conclusion
I think Act of Treason or Traitorous Instinct definitely needs to come in, but it's hard removing something like Flames of the Firebrand for it. The Junk, GW, and GR match ups can just be too hard to punch a hole through at times. Sorry I don't do these amazing write ups like some of you guys but it's hard remembering all of this stuff.I really like how the deck is performing, I'm a little off put by how many my opponents got from me in matches because in testing I don't give nearly that much. Perhaps it's just one of those days? /shrug
When I was leaving, I was asked by one of Brandon Nelson's groupies to play with them at their shop in the future. I'm not sure if it was because they wished to have me around as a higher-better competitive player (I'd love to think this, but sadly probably isn't the truth lol) then some of
the others they play with (I beat one of them--Mono White) or if they were just looking for more people to play with in general. Freaking exhausted, been up for well over 24hours so it's time to sleep!
[deck]
Creatures
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Ash Zealot
3 Young Pyromancer
3 Firefist Striker
4 Chandra's Phoenix
Land
12 Mountain
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Sacred Foundry
2 Mutavault
Other Spells
3 Shock
1 Flames of the Firebrand
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Chained to the Rocks
Planeswalkers
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
Sideboard
4 Boros Reckoner
2 Chained to the Rocks
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Boros Charm
3 Skullcrack
1 Flames of the Firebrand
1 Assemble the Legion
[/deck]
I ultimately went 5-2-0, tieing for 8th place but being shoved out of the 8th seed because #8 was granted a bye in his first round which supercede's my efforts. This actually isn't the first time this has
happened to me ;\ Even though we ended with the same record, his OMW%, GW%, and OGW% were waaaaaaay higher then everyone else's. This was also the first time I've been in such a ridiculously competitive scene (I've only ever done FNMs), everyone there was on their A game and they made sure that I felt the sting and burn of my mistakes. Not that it's an excusable excuse, but I had to work the night prior. So, getting off right from work I headed to the tournament. Surprisingly I was wide awake once everything started to roll, which was thankful but I can recall 3 times that I made misplays, one of which I knew I was feeling "bored" and "tired". It actually cost me a game, but not the match ;\
Brandon Nelson was also in attendance. He was playing Esper Control, moving his way into Top8. He brought a bunch of his posse from his LGS to the tournament, I think he was the only one to get into the Top8 though.
As for my matches. Every single match went to 3 games
Match 1: vs BW Devotion 2-1 (1-0) otP
Nothing special here, just your typical Mono Black Devotion, but with a splash of white.
Match 2: vs Mono White 2-1 (2-0) otD
I really hate this match up unless I can draw into a Flames of the Firebrand, but even then, if the spear resolves I'm almost a goner. Fiendslayer Paladin is a huge issue too. Flames, Reckoner, and Chains were MVP for sure.
Match 3: vs Naya Control 1-2 (2-1) otP
It was a pretty easy match up honestly, except in Game 2 I had to mull to 5 which hurt as he was able to start establishing SBD's and AoF on the field Game 3 ended in an incredible play that I credited to my opponent. I was at 11 life with 2 Chandra's Phoenix's on the field. He was at 7 life with a Stormbreath Dragon on the field. I figured his option was
to either keep as blocks or to make Monstrosity and swing in to bring me to 1. He instead Mizzium'd the field, leaving me with nothing. My turn I proceed to top deck a Boros Charm, which would have been enough if my Phoenix's had survived. It was an incredible maneuver by him, but makes complete sense because it was a 2-turn clock regardless.
Match 4: vs GW Aggro 1-2 (2-2) otD
Always a tough match up, always seems to go 50/50 and seeing as I was on the draw, I didn't get the benefit of the doubt I really, really want to bring in Act of Treasons somehow to deal with GW and GR decks. Mainly because I had him on the ropes where he had a field he couldn't swing into because of my Boros Reckoner's, but I also couldn't swing into because the Reckoner's wouldn't finish the job nor could I afford to let creatures get through to me the next turn, dealing lethal. With Chandra, Pyromaster out I was
able to get him to 1 life, but it wasn't enough. Chandra revealed a Shock which was 1 damage too short. If it was anything else other then Magma Jet, I could have survived and won the match
Match 5: BG Devotion 2-1 (3-2) otD
Nothing special here, definitely a much harder version to deal with opposed to BU or BW Devotion. Abrupt Decay is annoying as hell to deal with when they're snatching your Chains away ;;
Match 6: BG Devotion 2-1 (4-2) otD
Same match up, different person. Assemble the Legion won it for me. So legit. 3 Desecration Demons out, I had 8 Soldier tokens out. HAHA! Yea....
Match 7: RB Control 2-1 (5-2) otP
Quite an easy match up, but this is where my fatigue factored in and made me lose a game, game 2 ;; I could have killed his SBD with Mizzium and still sac'd my creature to Desecration, then recurring my Phoenix with Chandra,
Pyromaster. Sadly, I did make the mistake and it stung, but I was able to fight back and smash him hard in Game3 like I did in Game1.
Conclusion
I think Act of Treason or Traitorous Instinct definitely needs to come in, but it's hard removing something like Flames of the Firebrand for it. The Junk, GW, and GR match ups can just be too hard to punch a hole through at times. Sorry I don't do these amazing write ups like some of you guys but it's hard remembering all of this stuff.I really like how the deck is performing, I'm a little off put by how many my opponents got from me in matches because in testing I don't give nearly that much. Perhaps it's just one of those days? /shrug
When I was leaving, I was asked by one of Brandon Nelson's groupies to play with them at their shop in the future. I'm not sure if it was because they wished to have me around as a higher-better competitive player (I'd love to think this, but sadly probably isn't the truth lol) then some of
the others they play with (I beat one of them--Mono White) or if they were just looking for more people to play with in general. Freaking exhausted, been up for well over 24hours so it's time to sleep!
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What did it do for you against the green decks?[card]Titan's Strength[/card] is a dead card in many MUs, except for Gr/Gu and MonoU where its fantastic.I laughed at my opponent for having two Titan's Strength in hand after I fried ll his creatures. RDW / variants don't want any dead cards... not sure we want that card at all.
When I did run them I had 1/1 split between MD/SB.
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Edit(s): Now 6-2 in Magic Online Championship Series 11: Finals
G1: Gr (WIN)
G2: Esper Control (WIN)
G3: Wr Weenies (Todd Anderson) (LOSS)
G4: Esper Control (WIN)
G5: Gr (WIN)
G6: Esper Control (Luis Scott-Vargas) (WIN)
G7: MonoBlue Devotion (LOSS)
G8: MonoBlack Devotion (WIN)
Progress Notes:
Well... at least I have 12 THS Boosters, if MODO messes with the other players enough and I win the final game I have a shot at 24 THS booster - sers. that pairing error on G7... gah need to stop thinking about it.
My Gosh MODO messed this MOCS hard, we all got massed ejected on Round 8 - some people didn't get back in time, Kibler who was going 7-0 got timebooted (which may mean he got kicked out).
Heh this would be the type of mess up which puts me back on 24 Boosters
Confirmed Kibler was dropped from the whole event, which shakes everything up, what suck is Wizard won't really compensate him at all since he'll get 24 THS booster just by standing.
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God that pisses me off. A bye should not be better for tie breakers than an actual win.Finally back from the Platinum Qualifier. 73 players; 7 rounds of Swiss, then Top 8.
[deck]
Creatures
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Ash Zealot
3 Young Pyromancer
3 Firefist Striker
4 Chandra's Phoenix
Land
12 Mountain
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Sacred Foundry
2 Mutavault
Other Spells
3 Shock
1 Flames of the Firebrand
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Chained to the Rocks
Planeswalkers
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
Sideboard
4 Boros Reckoner
2 Chained to the Rocks
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Boros Charm
3 Skullcrack
1 Flames of the Firebrand
1 Assemble the Legion
[/deck]
I ultimately went 5-2-0, tieing for
8th place but being shoved out of the 8th seed because #8 was granted a bye in his first round which supercede's my efforts. This actually isn't the first time this has happened to me ;\ Even though we ended with the same record, his OMW%, GW%, and OGW% were waaaaaaay higher then everyone else's. This was also the first time I've been in such a ridiculously competitive scene (I've only ever done FNMs), everyone there was on their A game and they made sure that I felt the sting and burn of my mistakes. Not that it's an excusable excuse, but I had to work the night prior. So, getting off right from work I headed to the tournament. Surprisingly I was wide awake once everything started to roll, which was thankful but I can recall 3 times that I made misplays, one of which I knew I was feeling "bored" and "tired". It actually cost me a game, but not the match ;\
Brandon Nelson was also in attendance. He was playing Esper Control, moving his way into Top8. He brought a bunch of his
posse from his LGS to the tournament, I think he was the only one to get into the Top8 though.
As for my matches. Every single match went to 3 games
Match 1: vs BW Devotion 2-1 (1-0) otP
Nothing special here, just your typical Mono Black Devotion, but with a splash of white.
Match 2: vs Mono White 2-1 (2-0) otD
I really hate this match up unless I can draw into a Flames of the Firebrand, but even then, if the spear resolves I'm almost a goner. Fiendslayer Paladin is a huge issue too. Flames, Reckoner, and Chains were MVP for sure.
Match 3: vs Naya Control 1-2 (2-1) otP
It was a pretty easy match up honestly, except in Game 2 I had to mull to 5 which hurt as he was able to start establishing SBD's and AoF on the field Game 3 ended in an incredible play that
I credited to my opponent. I was at 11 life with 2 Chandra's Phoenix's on the field. He was at 7 life with a Stormbreath Dragon on the field. I figured his option was to either keep as blocks or to make Monstrosity and swing in to bring me to 1. He instead Mizzium'd the field, leaving me with nothing. My turn I proceed to top deck a Boros Charm, which would have been enough if my Phoenix's had survived. It was an incredible maneuver by him, but makes complete sense because it was a 2-turn clock regardless.
Match 4: vs GW Aggro 1-2 (2-2) otD
Always a tough match up, always seems to go 50/50 and seeing as I was on the draw, I didn't get the benefit of the doubt I really, really want to bring in Act of Treasons somehow to deal with GW and GR decks. Mainly because I had him on the ropes where he had a field he couldn't swing into because of my Boros Reckoner's, but I also couldn't swing into
because the Reckoner's wouldn't finish the job nor could I afford to let creatures get through to me the next turn, dealing lethal. With Chandra, Pyromaster out I was able to get him to 1 life, but it wasn't enough. Chandra revealed a Shock which was 1 damage too short. If it was anything else other then Magma Jet, I could have survived and won the match
Match 5: BG Devotion 2-1 (3-2) otD
Nothing special here, definitely a much harder version to deal with opposed to BU or BW Devotion. Abrupt Decay is annoying as hell to deal with when they're snatching your Chains away ;;
Match 6: BG Devotion 2-1 (4-2) otD
Same match up, different person. Assemble the Legion won it for me. So legit. 3 Desecration Demons out, I had 8 Soldier tokens out. HAHA! Yea....
Match 7: RB Control 2-1 (5-2) otP
Quite an easy match up, but this is where my fatigue
factored in and made me lose a game, game 2 ;; I could have killed his SBD with Mizzium and still sac'd my creature to Desecration, then recurring my Phoenix with Chandra, Pyromaster. Sadly, I did make the mistake and it stung, but I was able to fight back and smash him hard in Game3 like I did in Game1.
Conclusion
I think Act of Treason or Traitorous Instinct definitely needs to come in, but it's hard removing something like Flames of the Firebrand for it. The Junk, GW, and GR match ups can just be too hard to punch a hole through at times. Sorry I don't do these amazing write ups like some of you guys but it's hard remembering all of this stuff.I really like how the deck is performing, I'm a little off put by how many my opponents got from me in matches because in testing I don't give nearly that much. Perhaps it's just one of those days? /shrug
When I was leaving, I was asked by one of Brandon Nelson's groupies to play with them at their shop in the future. I'm not
sure if it was because they wished to have me around as a higher-better competitive player (I'd love to think this, but sadly probably isn't the truth lol) then some of the others they play with (I beat one of them--Mono White) or if they were just looking for more people to play with in general. Freaking exhausted, been up for well over 24hours so it's time to sleep!
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Help me understand. It's not obvious to me how / why you would want the card in those matchups.Your Sideboards matter in this MU, Fight also happens to be a sorcery speed (most of the time) that is why Titan's Strength is better then shaman against Gr/Gu - this isn't theory crafting, I've tested it against a proven field.What did it do for you against the green decks?
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Help me understand. It's not obvious to me how / why you would want the card in those matchups.[/quote:Your Sideboards matter in this MU, Fight also happens to be a sorcery speed (most of the time) that is why Titan's Strength is better then shaman against Gr/Gu - this isn't theory crafting, I've tested it against a proven field.What did it do for you against the green decks?
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If you flip a few pages back we were discussing Pyrewild Shaman compared to [card]Titan's Strength[/card], it was stated that these cards were a strong way to deal damage without over committing and dealing with */3+ walls which you we can not normal deal with in small R/RW/RB (I'm aware that in big R/RW you have AoG so this isn't a issue).
I later stated that while Pyrewild Shaman is generally good, [card]Titan's Strength[/card] is better against Gu/Gr and MonoU mainly because your sideboards are pivotal in those MUs, with scry you have a higher chance of finding those life saving Chains and Skullcrack which shaman can't provide. [card]Titan's Strength[/card] as a bonus also interacts with "Fight" and Domestication in funny ways.
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Magic Online Championship Series 11: Finals 7-
2 (20th place, 306 star stacked players)
G1: Gr (WIN)
G2: Esper Control (WIN)
G3: Wr Weenies (Todd Anderson) (LOSS)
G4: Esper Control (WIN)
G5: Gr (WIN)
G6: Esper Control (Luis Scott-Vargas) (WIN)
G7: MonoBlue Devotion (LOSS)
G8: MonoBlack Devotion (WIN)
G9: Esper Control (WIN)
Conclusion:
Fuck you wizard and your messed up pairing system, honestly if top 32 is fucking even, why would you pair TWO people down and other TWO up - if it wasn't for G7 I could be in top8. I feel kinda cheated this mocs, but I'm sure Kibler has
it worst, since we were all booted when wizards servers when down during R8 he never manage to log back on in time.
VIDEO REPORT, and DECK-LIST + SIDEBOARDS and PLANS coming tomorrow.
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Wizards pulled down the event I can't record it anymore...
But they gave me 10 boosters, 1 alt art foil land and an invite for mocs11 revenge.
I may cut AoT since me and God_like were the only red players with 15 points at the time, which gives me room for one extra monoblue hate and control hate.
Link.
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Congrats on the result, even though you missed Top 8, it's quite an accomplishment. The reason I don't like Titan's Strength, is that while Scry is obviously good, it represents card disadvantage in most cases, and that worries me. If you tell me it's good, I'll test it, because I've come to trust and respect you.If you flip a few pages back we were discussing Pyrewild Shaman compared to [card]Titan's Strength[/card], it was stated that these cards were a strong way to deal damage without over committing and dealing with */3+ walls which you we can not normal deal with in small R/RW/RB (I'm aware that in big R/RW you have AoG so this isn't a issue).Help me understand. It's not obvious to me how / why you would want the card in those matchups.Your Sideboards matter in this MU, Fight also happens to be a sorcery speed (most of the time) that is why Titan's Strength is better then shaman against Gr/Gu - this isn't theoryWhat did it do for you against the green decks?
crafting, I've tested it against a proven field.
I later stated that while Pyrewild Shaman is generally good, [card]Titan's Strength[/card] is better against Gu/Gr and MonoU mainly because your sideboards are pivotal in those MUs, with scry you have a higher chance of finding those life saving Chains and Skullcrack which shaman can't provide. [card]Titan's Strength[/card] as a bonus also interacts with &
quot;Fight" and Domestication in funny ways.
- - - - - - - -
Magic Online Championship Series 11: Finals 7-2 (20th place, 306 star stacked players)
G1: Gr (WIN)
G2: Esper Control (WIN)
G3: Wr Weenies (Todd Anderson) (LOSS)
G4: Esper Control (WIN)
G5: Gr (WIN)
G6: Esper Control (Luis Scott-Vargas) (WIN)
G7: MonoBlue Devotion (LOSS)
G8: MonoBlack Devotion (WIN)
G9: Esper Control (WIN)
Conclusion:
Fuck you wizard and your messed up pairing system, honestly if
top 32 is fucking even why would you pair TWO people down and other TWO up - if it wasn't for G7 I could be in top8. I feel kinda cheated this mocs, but I'm sure Kibler has it worst, since we was booted when wizards servers when down during R8 he never manage to log back on in time.
VIDEO REPORT, and DECK-LIST + SIDEBOARDS and PLANS coming tomorrow.
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Wizards pulled down the event I can't record it anymore...
But they gave me 10 boosters, 1 alt art foil land and an invite for mocs11 revenge.
Link.
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I should mention, I'm not running the card 'anymore' and wouldn't recommend it at all..... (that doesn't stop the card being better then shaman in those MUs)Congrats on the result, even though you missed Top 8, it's quite an accomplishment. The reason I don't like Titan's Strength, is that while Scry is obviously good, it represents card disadvantage in most cases, and that worries me. If you tell me it's good, I'll test it, because I've come to trust and respect you.
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lol ok then.I should mention, I'm not running the card and wouldn't recommend it at all..... (that doesn't stop the card being better then shaman in those MUs)Congrats on the result, even though you missed Top 8, it's quite an accomplishment. The reason I don't like Titan's Strength, is that while Scry is obviously good, it represents card disadvantage in most cases, and that worries me. If you tell me it's good, I'll test it, because I've come to trust and respect you.
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Well done MDU. It's been a pleasure working with you for the last month and I look forward to many more seasons of joint success
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It's not a card disadvantage if you get something out of it (A 1/1 token, saving a creature from a burn or fixing your topdeck).
You're supposed to save the [card]Titan's Strength[/card] for necessary time instead of just casting it early and hope for the best. It's like throwing that Shock to the dome as early as turn 1. That's card disadvantage all right.
You're supposed to save the [card]Titan's Strength[/card] for necessary time instead of just casting it early and hope for the best. It's like throwing that Shock to the dome as early as turn 1. That's card disadvantage all right.
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Correct, if you read my 32 edited post, MOCS11 went down hill from R7 onwards - so anyone who had 5 wins or more at the end of R7 will be invited to MOCS11 Revenge.Grats on the result MDU! Looks like you're gonna get another go at it, yea?
It will be like Day 2 event, with less then 64 players so 6 rounds and 3 more for top8 - Kibler is currently raging on twitter that he can't attend the MOCS11 Revenge match. (he was playing Gx Devotion and the most favor player to take this MOCS).
Pleasure mine mate, I posted this awhile back when you were packing: if you hadn't beaten my face in last month I wouldn't have been here. It would be good to have you back online again so we can give poor Pedros a break (he has been listening me whine and talk strategies for three days straight).Well done MDU. It's been a pleasure working with you for the last month and I look forward to many
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Anyhows, I can't record MOCS11 because wizards pulled the event and everything else with it, but I'll still post the list tomorrow and bounce ideas with you guys for next Sunday.
For today I'll be unloading replays running this list:
[deck]PyroWhite Test 1[/deck]
Video Report (1/2) Standard Tournament: Daily Event 6210869 (4-0)
G1: MonoBlack Devotion
G2: Junk
G3: MonoBlack Devotion
G4: Split
These videos are rather old (early last week, when Gu and Gr saw play), I quickly abandon the deck when Big RW became enemy no1 along with the return of MoW.deck.
The deck which followed which I have three finishes for was the deck I played up until the last day before MOCS11, surprisingly it was pretty much the same deck which InflatablePie eventually posted (great minds think
alike) except I had a shaman over the third YP$.
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Oh by the by I played Pyrewild as a 1-of in place of the 3rd Chandra at FNM. He was pretty cool, no one ever saw it coming. Unfortunately I only saw him against Big Boros (didn't live long enough to rebuy) and GW (made a mistake and cast Phoenix then swung with she and zealot straight into an Advent instead of leaving mana open for Pyrewild). Still, he deepened the lines of play I had which was sweet.
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I was talking about doing it in response to fight etc. I don't think you're going to save a creature often with +1 Toughness from burn (if the MJ for Cackler / Phoenix I guess) / blockers (your guy still dies probably, you kill theirs, but you 2 for 1 yourself) / fight (they fight X/4 VS anything inIt's not a card disadvantage if you get something out of it (A 1/1 token, saving a creature from a burn or fixing your topdeck).
You're supposed to save the [card]Titan's Strength[/card] for necessary time instead of just casting it early and hope for the best. It's like throwing that Shock to the dome as early as turn 1. That's card disadvantage all right.
your deck, you use TS and they trade, but you're down a card). If you are making your guy bigger to get through hexproof plant, that's a 1/1 but a turn lost. Even with the scry, I don't think that's profitable enough.
If you live in MCL and you get a token, save the creature and get the game winning scry, I'm happy for you. That doesn't happen for me.
After light testing, I wonder if Rubble Belt Matka is maybe better? It grants toughness too. I know you can't use it as anti-domestication tech, but it could be relevant.
I also think you guys get a lot more value out of YP$ than I do, Japanese players respect it and kill it on sight.
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Its a meta thing, I actually dislike YP$ in most MUs and just cast him as a horrible bear (I play during AustralianI was talking about doing it in response to fight etc. I don't think you're going to save a creature often with +1 Toughness from burn (ifIt's not a card disadvantage if you get something out of it (A 1/1 token, saving a creature from a burn or fixing your topdeck).
You're supposed to save the [card]Titan's Strength[/card] for necessary time instead of just casting it early and hope for the best. It's like throwing that Shock to the dome as early as turn 1. That's card disadvantage all right.
the MJ for Cackler / Phoenix I guess) / blockers (your guy still dies probably, you kill theirs, but you 2 for 1 yourself) / fight (they fight X/4 VS anything in your deck, you use TS and they trade, but you're down a card). If you are making your guy bigger to get through hexproof plant, that's a 1/1 but a turn lost. Even with the scry, I don't think that's profitable enough.
If you live in MCL and you get a token, save the creature and get the game winning scry, I'm happy for you. That doesn't happen for me.
After light testing, I wonder if Rubble Belt Matka is maybe better? It grants toughness too. I know you can't use it as anti-domestication tech, but it could be relevant.
I also think you guys get a lot more value out of YP$ than I do, Japanese players respect it and kill it on sight.
Timezone so my meta should be like yours, which I know isn't good for YP$).
Against MonoBlack you have to sandbag him until you have at least enough mana to cast him and a burn on the same turn, against Red AIR, BR weenies and MonoWhite they just don't have enough removal to kill-him on sight on he is just pure value.
With regards to 2-4-1'ing yourself to deal with fattys during fights? I'll say it worth it because that what we usually do in small R/RW anyways only differences is that you get to scry this time to get closer to your next chain or skull
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We'll done MDU! Shame they messed up the event but still an impressive showing!
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I only play on Cockatrice and IRL, so my meta is a little different than yours I suspect. Japanese players are tricky for me. They don't follow the meta at all really, and like to brew seemingly random decks that are actually quite good.Its a meta thing, I actually dislike YP$ in most MUs and just cast him as a horrible bear (I play during Australian Timezone so my meta should be like yours, which I know isn't good for YP$).I was talking about doing it in response to fight etc. I don't think you're going to save a creature often with +1 Toughness from burn (if the MJ for Cackler / Phoenix I guess) / blockers (your guy still dies probably, you kill theirs, but you 2 for 1 yourself) / fight (they fight X/4 VS anything in your deck, you use TS and they trade, but you're down a card). If you are making your guy bigger to get through hexproof plant, that's a 1/1 but a turn lost. Even with the scry, I don't think that's profitable enough.It's not a card disadvantage if you get something out of it (A 1/1 token, saving a creature from a burn or fixing your topdeck).
You're supposed to save the [card]Titan's Strength[/card] for necessary time instead of just casting it early and hope for the best. It's like throwing that Shock to the dome as early as turn 1. That's card
disadvantage all right.
If you live in MCL and you get a token, save the creature and get the game winning scry, I'm happy for you. That doesn't happen for me.
After light testing, I wonder if Rubble Belt Matka is maybe better? It grants toughness too. I know you can't use it as anti-domestication tech, but it could be relevant.
I also think you guys get a lot more value out of YP$ than I do,
Japanese players respect it and kill it on sight.
Against MonoBlack you have to sandbag him until you have at least enough mana to cast him and a burn on the same turn, against Red AIR, BR weenies and MonoWhite they just don't have enough removal to kill-him on sight on he is just pure value.
With regards to 2-4-1'ing yourself to deal with fattys during fights? I'll say it worth it because that what we usually do in small R/RW anyways only differences is that you get to scry this time to get closer to your next chain or skull
What
are your thoughts on Hammer of Purphorous in the main deck? Sometimes it feels superfluous, but other times it just wins.
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This is what I'm playing ATM:
[deck]Creatures (20)
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Ash Zealot
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Chandra's Phoenix
Land (22)
12 Mountain
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Sacred Foundry
2 Mutavault
Other Spells (16)
4 Shock
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Chained to the Rocks
2 Hammer of Purphoros
Planeswalkers (2)
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
Sideboard (15)
4 Boros Reckoner
2 Chained to the Rocks
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Skullcrack
2 Stormbreath Dragon
1 Mutavault
2 Boros Charm
[/deck]
Right now, the Hammers are the only cards I'm unsure of. The rest of the deck is pretty much how I want it. YP$ does work if left alone. It seems ok.
[deck]Creatures (20)
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Ash Zealot
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Chandra's Phoenix
Land (22)
12 Mountain
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Sacred Foundry
2 Mutavault
Other Spells (16)
4 Shock
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Chained to the Rocks
2 Hammer of Purphoros
Planeswalkers (2)
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
Sideboard (15)
4 Boros Reckoner
2 Chained to the Rocks
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Skullcrack
2 Stormbreath Dragon
1 Mutavault
2 Boros Charm
[/deck]
Right now, the Hammers are the only cards I'm unsure of. The rest of the deck is pretty much how I want it. YP$ does work if left alone. It seems ok.
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Lots of players during my timezone have Japanese names and run lists which 'were' not in the upper tier (lots of Big Boros) in regards to Hammer of Purphoros MD, I don't like it in traditional small RW - but its important to note beside me the only other Red list to hit top 32 was a semi-big-boros like (aka boros aggro)I only play on Cockatrice and IRL, so my meta is a little different than yours I suspect. Japanese players are tricky for me. They don't follow the meta at all really, and like to brew seemingly random decks that are actually quite good.
What are your thoughts on Hammer of Purphoros in the main deck? Sometimes it feels superfluous, but other times it just wins.
it wasn't this list but something liked it piloted by another 1900 grinder God_Like:
[deck]Creatures
4 Ash Zealot
4 Boros Reckoner
4 Burning-Tree Emissary
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Fanatic of Mogis
4 Firefist Striker
4 Rakdos Cackler
Spells
4 Chained to the Rocks
4 Lightning Strike
2 Magma Jet
1 Hammer of Purphoros
Land
11 Mountain
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
2 Mutavault
Sideboard
4 Mizzium Mortars
3 Skullcrack
2 Last Breath
2 Burning Earth
2 Ratchet Bomb
1 Chandra Pyromaster
1 Hammer of Purphoros[/deck]
I actually hate this list because its so extremely greedy, but aytor_92 has so many wins - that it can't just all be luck.
I need to ask, why do you want Hammer of Purphoros in this deck? What does Hammer of Purphoros help you beat? What is your meta (usually)?This is what I'm playing ATM:
[deck]Creatures (20)
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Ash Zealot
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Chandra's
Phoenix
Land (22)
12 Mountain
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Sacred Foundry
2 Mutavault
Other Spells (16)
4 Shock
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Chained to the Rocks
2 Hammer of Purphoros
Planeswalkers (2)
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
Sideboard (15)
4 Boros Reckoner
2 Chained to the Rocks
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Skullcrack
2 Stormbreath Dragon
1 Mutavault
2 Boros Charm
[/deck]
Right now, the Hammers are the only cards I'm unsure of. The rest of the deck is pretty much how I want it. YP$ does work if left alone. It seems ok.
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