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Postby Keftenk » Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:05 am

Is there a possibility of running more Mutavaults in this version magicdowunder? Some of the best synergies I had with FFS was when I had Mutavault out and capable of being activated. Perhaps I'm just being greedy though, lol.

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Postby magicdownunder » Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:28 am

Is there a possibility of running more Mutavaults in this version magicdowunder? Some of the best synergies I had with FFS was when I had Mutavault out and capable of being activated. Perhaps I'm just being greedy though, lol.
I was thinking that I want another Mutavault as well XD, I'll see what I can do - if you have any suggestion I'll love to hear it as well.

(Vaults drastically improves the R/x/x midrange list as well)

EDIT: 4/2 split between YP$/FFS doesn't seem bad, FFS role is just to bust down doors against MonoU and GR - he isn't 'needed' against the other list.
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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:52 am

TL;DR Solemn10 and I go to the same FNM. He gets Esper twice and random jank once. I get G/R (splash white for unflinching courage?) Monster and G/W Aggro, then a bye in the third round :sweat:. Room was literally half esper.

Anyway, here's my report:

Round 1 VS GRw Monsters piloted by Keigo.

G1: I win the roll. He mulls once and I steam roll his slow hand.

G2: He is on the play and we both keep seven. He hits T3 Witchstalker, T4 Unflinching Courage, T5 Witchstalker, T6 Unflinching Courage + Domri Rade. You can guess how that went.

G3 I'm on the play and mull to 6, he keeps 7. He hits
T2 Hexproof plant, T3 Witch Stalker, $ 4 Unflinching Courage. I have 2x YP$ and start aiming the burn at the dome, since he can't attack into my board of first strikers and elementals with his 5/5 trample, lifelink, hexproof witchstalker. Eventually I flood (with him at 11), and he gets Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx +Polukranos, Wolrd Eater and Monstrouses him to clear most of my stuff. Next turn [card]Armed // Dangerous[/card] ends any hopes I had of chumping.

0-1-0

Round 2 VS GW Aggro Piloted by Tomoyuki

G1: I play through all the typical GW Aggro shit like voice of resurgence, fleecemane lion and loxodon smiter. Around T7 he is on 4 life, I have 2x AZ in play and a [card]
flames of the firebrand[/card] in hand. He has a 1/1 voice token and two cards in hand. I attack and he casts Advent of the Wurm (thanks for that card wizards) + Rootborn Defences. One of the biggest blow outs I've ever been privy to. I burn him to the face to put him to 1, but top deck a land and eat shit. In hindsight it might have been correct to play flames targeting the Voice Token + him to put him to two (what do you guys think?), but I couldn't predict him sandbagging those cards. I thought, ok, maybe one AotW and then a second main flames to finish it, voice token dies on first strike. My guess is that he had been holding therootborn defences (why the fuck is that main deck?) and topped the Advent. Otherwise he would have played the advent to stem the bleeding.

G2: I'm on the play. I mull to 6 because my 7 was unkeepable. He hits T2 Fiendslayer Paladin > T3 [
card]Unflinching Courage[/card]. He follows up with Angelic Accord (wtf?) and then [card]Trostani, Selesnya's Voice[/card] + 2x AotW. I was helpless, since I was facing down Angels and Wurms and Hexproof Knights (Oh my! :shrug: ). I never hit white for Chained to the Rocks, although I doubt it would have mattered.

0-2-0

Round 3 VS BYE (because you suck too much to play the third round)

1-2-0

Thoughts

I'm sure Walter White is working out for you guys, but I think my meta is too unstable. The room was about 50% Esper (please, for the love of God give me that) and about 50% random stuff. There were three other R/W decks (a first), one red deck, and one R/B deck (solemn 10). I'm usually the only R/x player. I (and another Devo Red player, now
Solemn10
too) have been winning a lot lately, so players are starting to copy us or hate us out. If I could get Esper and not ALL THE UNFLINCHING COURAGE DECKS :flame: :flame: :flame: That'd be great XD .

I think I'll be headed back to Big Boros, which is also heavily favoured against Esper, but I believe has a better "random bullshit" match up.

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Postby Keftenk » Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:06 am

Is there a possibility of running more Mutavaults in this version magicdowunder? Some of the best synergies I had with FFS was when I had Mutavault out and capable of being activated. Perhaps I'm just being greedy though, lol.
I was thinking that I want another Mutavault as well XD, I'll see what I can do - if you have any suggestion I'll love to hear it as well.

(Vaults drastically improves the R/x/x midrange list as well)

EDIT: 4/2 split between YP$/FFS
doesn't seem bad, FFS role is just to bust down doors against MonoU and GR - he isn't 'needed' against the other list.
I think I'd like 4 YP, but I feel like I might have just not have got very many good hands and draws for BTE > FFS to activate. Even though I played 19 games... /shrug

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Postby magicdownunder » Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:28 am

Standard Daily Event 6210685 (3-1) Video Report running:

[deck=MDU's Australian Winter ]Lands 22
12x Mountain
04x Sacred Foundry
04x Temple of Triumph
02x Mutavault

Creatures 22
04x Firedrinker Satyr
04x Rakdos Cackler
04x Burning-Tree Emissary
03x Firefist Striker
03x Young Pyromancer
04x Chandra's Phoenix

Planeswalkers 02
02x Chandra, Pyromaster

Enchantments 02
02x Chained to the Rocks

Pew Pew 12
04x Lightning Strike
04x Magma Jet
03x Shock
01x Flames of the Firebrand

Sideboard 15
04x Boros Reckoner
02x Skullcrack
02x Boros Charm
02x Chained to the Rocks
02x Mizzium Mortars
02x Fanatic of Mogis
01x Flames of the Firebrand[/deck]
Here are the replays:
G1: Big Boros
G2: MonoBlack Devotion
G3: [url=http://www.
youtube.com/watch?v=vUQ5lUjWc44]Big Boros[/url]
G4: BWR (Dega) Migrange

I have three of sets of finishes left with this list going 3-1 twice and 4-0 once which I'll post slowly, mocs11 is on next week and the modo meta has adapted slightly to defend against this weeks increase in red list. Thus I'll be trying out my experimental list for the next day or two.

[deck=MDU's RW Test One]Lands 22
10x Mountain
04x Sacred Foundry
04x Temple of Triumph
04x Mutavault

Creatures 22
04x Firedrinker Satyr
04x Rakdos Cackler
04x Burning-Tree Emissary
02x Firefist Striker
04x Young Pyromancer
04x Chandra's Phoenix

Planeswalkers 02
02x Chandra, Pyromaster

Enchantments 02
02x Chained to the Rocks

Pew Pew 12
04x Lightning Strike
04x Magma Jet
03x Shock
01x Flames of the Firebrand

Sideboard 15
02x Firefist Striker
02x Frostburn Weird
02x Skullcrack
02x Boros Charm
02x Chained
to the Rocks
02x Mizzium Mortars
02x Fanatic of Mogis
01x Assemble the Legion[/deck]

MOCS11 Prelim (1/4) is complete, 227 Players 24 made it too the finals - here are the 24 decks which went 6-0 and 5-1:

MonoBlack Devotion: 4
MonoBlue Devotion: 4
Esper Control: 3
Rw FoM: 2
MonoRed FoM: 2
Naya Midrange/Control: 2
Black, green splash Devotion: 1
UW Control: 1
UW MoW: 1
Colossal Gruul: 1 (yeah only one made it)
Big Boros: 1
R AiR: 1
WW: 1
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Postby DerWille » Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:36 am

I went to FNM tonight at a nearby store.

[deck]PyroWhite[/deck]

Round 1 vs Mono-Black Devotion (still being built)

I was matched up with a newer player that's definitely shown improvement. She made a few mistakes like trying to Doom Blade a Rakdos Cackler and I'm not entirely sure about the exact contents of her deck. I think
next month she'll have the deck completed.

I won these games by curving out and playing more threats than she had answers to. I won 2-0.

Sideboard: -3 Shock, +1 Chained to the Rocks, +1 Hammer of Purphoros, +1 Assemble the Legion
Round 2 vs Bant Midrange (homebrew)

This guy is a solid player but he seems to have a habit of playing a different deck every week. I'm not sure why he does this. Anyway, this deck was running Elvish Mystic, Loxodon Smiter, Centaur Healer, Advent of the Wurm, Selesnya Charm, and Prime Speaker Zegana. Maybe I should describe this as G/W with a Zegana. I won this one 2-0.


Game 1, I'm on the play and I'm able to curve out Ash Zealot into [card]Chandra's Phoenix[/card]. He tries to stall the board with a Loxodon Smiter, but first strike + Shockgets rid of it. Later he plays an [cards]Advent of the Wurm[/cards] token but a Chained to the Rocks kills it and that was that.

Sideboard: -4 Rakdos Cackler, -4 Firedrinker Satyr, -4 Shock, +3 Boros Reckoner, +4 Mizzium Mortars, +1 Assemble the Legion, +1 Hammer of Purphoros, +1 Chained to the Rocks, +2 Traitorous Instinct

Game 2, I'm on the draw and play the
control. Burn an elf, burn a Smiter, set up a Chandra and start drawing cards. I was able to get the win by burning a Centaur Healer, stealing his 6 power Zegana, and swinging in with 2 Young Pyromancers.
Round 3 vs BUG Evolve Counters

This is the new standard version of that Johnny deck that used Master Biomancer and Corpsejack Menace to make stupid huge monsters. Both games I burned down his evolve creatures and then swung in with my haste guys. I really wish this deck was better because it's a cool concept but it's too dependent on creatures building on top of themselves. I won this 2-0.
Round 4 vs Mono-Black Devotion (not sure about this one)

I'm not sure what was in this deck besides removal. In both games that we played he got stuck on 2 and 3 land for a long
period of time while I curved out. By the time he had enough mana to do stuff, it was too late for him. I wish I could say more about this, but I got lucky. I won 2-0.

Sideboard: -4 Shock, -1 Young Pyromancer, +1 Chained to the Rocks, +1 Assemble the Legion, +1 Hammer of Purphoros, +2 Mizzium Mortars

I didn't know if I wanted to have 4 pyromancers in a deck with so much removal so I instead went for cards that would generate me card advantage or take out slightly bigger creatures.

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Postby Yarpus » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:22 am

Silly idea: what about using singleton Pyrewild Shaman? Once running, this motherfucker just can't stop.
Just try him. I really loved him in testing variety of decks.
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Postby Keftenk » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:28 pm

This may just be initial testing, but a 5/2 Ash Zealot swinging in is tasty, especially with recurring effects lol

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Postby magicdownunder » Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:05 pm

Silly idea: what about using singleton Pyrewild Shaman? Once running, this motherfucker just can't stop.
Just try him. I really loved him in testing variety of decks.
After watching Trollshow go 5-1, I want to try testing Pyrewild Shaman :o

btw: I went 3-1 with my new list, I fought so many odd list its not even worth recording - rating also took a huge hit so i'm 1879 now :suckup:.

Ya know running 02x Pyrewild Shaman in the Ash list can lead to some rather disgusting plays
against midrange - it can also kill those horrible Nightveil Specter without trading your unit.
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Postby MattT » Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:03 pm

The mana is the issue with nighthowler, because I do think it can be a pretty sweet card. Double black on 11 sources is very ambitious

Even if the mana was perfect and you cuold have either, Hammer is a much stronger card against control whereas nighthowler shines against midrange/mirror decks
Sounds like you´re thinking like T4. It´s not for hitting curve asap.

As for answers to Control, Mutavault contributes with much the same. Hammer is not ca, but synergy. Nighthowler is ca (and very reliable such with Phoenix). Hammer's clock is slow, Howlers is not.

The point I do not see addressed is that it a big mofo guy with 2 lives for neglible mana (marrying well to Chandras non-block ability). Think of him as [card]Hound of Griselbrand[/card:
2187b6cg] of yore, but bigger and better the longer the match runs. Vs. Midrange he simply kills DD/Arbour Colossus/Whatnot, due to size. As of now every plan in this thread can be summed up in: "Win fast (Sligh country) or hope to draw enough parts of the engine to eke out an incremental win." Nighthowler adds a faster clock with 1 time recursion.

Howler aside I think Tymaret is an amazing thing post-board. A [mana]br[/mana] guy that puts the ball in Controls field to handle or he will take 6 damage/round cannot be bad. Rakdos misses the Scry land, but I like many parts of the colour pair atm too.

Pyrewild Shaman seems to fit the archetype quite well too. A singleton looks all possible.

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Postby Link » Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:38 pm

I just can't accept the idea of siding in a 3-of that I don't want to cast reliably on time. Also it pretty much HAS to be on a phoenix to be as effective as you're selling me, not to mention that if you don't have a bunch of dead stuff everywhere or (since you mentioned arbor colossus) my scavenging ooze can make it a 0/0....


Its a dead card in your hand in an aggro deck, if:
1. You don't have double black. Ham's thread shows a less than 50% chance of hitting it by T4. Curving out or not, if they answer the rest of your threats you're sitting there with no pressure hoping to eventually having something in play stick AND bestow it
2. There aren't enough creatures in the graveyard to make it mana efficient
3. You don't have a creature to bestow it on vs. control


Hammer doesn't have these issues. Its funny you call the haste giving enchantment a "slower" clock, but I suppose it is slower than
your godly nighthowler draws, but it has always been impressive. Getting 3/3s out of flooded lands is ACTUAL CA. Bestowing a Nighthowler might make a more threatening super phoenix, but it doesn't make you up on actual cards or threats.

You also don't need 3 SB hammers, so it frees up a bunch of space. I reccomend skullcracks since you're comfortable with a game going later and it REALLY is house versus mono black and obv decent against control decks

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Postby Link » Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:41 pm

I think mono black aggro, like the list Z had awhile back, with Lifebane Zombie would be the best home for Nighthowler. The intimidate from LBZ and Mogis Maurauder for bestow targest (hell bestow that shit on a THRILL KILL for sweet trades) coupled with your incredible suite of black removal spells seems much more synergistic, also being able to always cast it on time ;D

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Postby dauntless268 » Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:45 pm

Question: What do we do In WW with our Chained to the Rocks after sb against mono red? If they side in Peak Eruption, it's so brutal, I almost don't want to keep it in the deck for g2/3...
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Postby Link » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:06 pm

can mono red really afford to side in peak eruption vs. an aggro mirror....

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Postby DocLawless » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:30 pm

3 cmc, one turn later answer to our 1 cmc removal. We're still ahead.
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Postby Helios » Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:18 pm

Hmmm. That's an interesting question. I wouldn't bring Peak Eruption in, because removal is better. If I were them I wouldn't bring Peak Eruption in, because removal is better. I think you still want the 4 Chained game 2, especially if they haven't seen it game 1. Probably game 3 as well, no reason to dilute the SB, though you could probably drop a Chained for another Mortars the way the meta has been going. I'm starting to see why Z and MDU were fine without them, Mortars hits pretty much everything.

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Postby Self Medicated » Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:34 pm

Here is my current list for Tymaret Pyro:

[DECK]
Lands (22)
4 Blood Crypt
4 Godless Shrine
4 Rakdos Guildgate
10 Mountain

Creatures (22)
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Spike Jester
2 Tymaret, the Murder King
4 Young Pyromancer

Planeswalkers (2)
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Spells (14)
2 Dreadbore
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
4 Shock

Sideboard (15)
2 Act of Treason
4 Boros Reckoner
2 Dark Betrayal
2 Dreadbore
3 Doom Blade
2 Slaughter Games
[/DECK]

Took some advice to replace the swamps with Godless Shrine and put Reckoner in the SB. Also took some advice on adding a couple Dark Betrayal to the SB. Still not sure about Slaughter Games, although I've had good luck with it before. That being said, I might want to just make it Mizzium Mortars.
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Postby Jack » Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:40 pm

can mono red really afford to side in peak eruption vs. an aggro mirror....
Maybe or maybe not, but a lot of players will still do it because it affects mountains and you play mountains.
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Postby Jack » Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:44 pm

You don't take out Chained just because RDW brings in PE just like you don't take out Satyr just because Dega plays Mortars, Anger and Reckoner. It's a relevant card in the match up so you leave it in.
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Postby Pedros » Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:48 pm

1-1 in Mocs Prelim

2-1 vs Colossal Gruul JohnyHotSouce MTGO Grinder - lost game 2 from 16 life and reckoner on with polukranos into Armed into Ghor-Clan Rampager

1-2 vs JUND CLYDE THE GLIDE DREXLER - another mtgo grinder. Chained Reaper of the Wilds when he cast it, continued assault. He Blew me out with 2nd Abrupt decay (didnt see it comming) into Desecration Demon with 4 more removal in doomblades, dreadbores and decays. I put him into a lot of outs - 4 Lightning Strikes, 2 Fanatic of Mogis, however he used last card in hand - golgari charm to mitigate chances to only 2 fanatics. Drew lightning strike and put him to 1.

2-0 vs Mono Black

0-2 vs Mono Black. In game 1 2 * thoughtseize stripped me from 1 drop and BTE, later chandra got downfalled while I drew 9 lands. Game 2 had 9 mana, opp on 4, no flying blockers I had 2 chandra phoenixes in grave. Every burn killed him for multiple turns. BTW he was horrible as
he killed my phoenixes with downfalls and other removal...

2-0 vs Mono Black

2-0 vs bye

Won 8 man queue in Mirror (Yong Pyro + Chandra mono Red), mono black and BUG.

Currently 2-1 in daily.

1-2 vs RUG ramp. Kept 2 lands on a draw, couldnt draw 3rd land - he was at 2 with me havng 2 chandra phoenies in hand.
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Postby zemanjaski » Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:30 pm

RE: Nighthowler. It's just too hard to cast and you need to be ultra-consistent vs. control. There will be metagames in the future where it's good, but now is not that time.

RE: FotF main. The argument for it is simply that it's a power powerful (though less efficient) card than Shock. When it comes up, especially in Game 1s, it just lets you sometimes make very powerful plays that are unsuspected. It also increases your outs to Nightveil Spectre in Game 1 which is nice.

RE: MODO meta. Trends this week ~
Mono B, up
Mono R, up
Mono U, down
Esper, up
GR Mihara, down

So four good matchups increased their representation, and the bad one decreased.

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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:09 pm

You don't take out Chained just because RDW brings in PE just like you don't take out Satyr just because Dega plays Mortars, Anger and Reckoner. It's a relevant card in the match up so you leave it in.
I sideboard FDS out against dega...

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Postby zemanjaski » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:36 pm

Why's that JS? My experience is that they run mostly black removal (aside from Helix and Anger; a lot of lists online don't run both either) so there isn't a drawback to Satyr. Do they build their removal suite differently in Japan? I like Satyr because I straight want to aggro them out as they have such a robust endgame.
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Postby Khaospawn » Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:26 am

Man, I run Satyr out all day against any deck in which I must play Beatdown. Dega included.
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Postby magicdownunder » Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:29 am

Man, I run Satyr out all day against any deck in which I must play Beatdown. Dega included.
Even against Naya and Big Boros?
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Postby Keftenk » Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:51 am

Sooo, been testing Pyrewild Shaman a lot and I don't know if I'm sold on it, but one thing that it's actually incredible against is Junk, lol. My 1/1 trading with a 4/4 Loxodon. Any day!

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Postby LaZerBurn » Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:00 am

'Interesting' night on MTGO - running Emily Pyro I got my variance out of the way (combination of bad match ups, bad draws, doubtless a few bad plays in there too) for an entire week and went 1-5! It's the 3rd night I've had like this over the last month, prior to it I was 15-5 in my last 20 with the same deck. If things continue in their usual pattern I should be in for a good winning week now though :)

Gory details if anyone wants to mock or feel better next time you find yourself wondering if the shuffler on MTGO is really random :)

Match 1 0-2 Vs Esper
G1 I keep an ok but not great hand, he just answers everything, drops Jace, revelates ...
G2 Same thing again.
I put this down to variance, sometimes you're just gonna lose to
Esper and move on...

Match 2 0-2 Vs RBW 'Surgeon Generals' http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/8218 only 0.68% of the MTGO meta but 0.68% I'd rather not face too often :)
G1 I flood and die, I forget what to.
G2 I flood and die, can't remember what to again, must be blocking out the memories :)
Ah well I shrug, that's MTG sometimes...
My Opp in this match was a complete and utter arse who I hope dies a tragic, premature, slow and very painful death, ideally tonight :D

Match 3 1-2 Vs B/R Aggro - Cackler, Ashley, Jester, Chandra, spot removal
G1 I draw 6 land and 7 spells and lose. don't think I did anything wrong,
opp just had more gas.
G2 I play Control and win :)
G3 I play Control, draw 6 land and 6 spells and the extra gas is enough for my opp
I'm now getting a little grumpy but I retain a philosophical perspective and go on to Match 4 :)

Match 4 1 - 2 Vs G/R - the first bad match up of the night. I really dislike this deck, durdles about, gains life (I don't really understand why Wizards have gone so life gain crazy, never used to be this bad) and is generally very annoying to play against.
G1 I'm mana screwed and die, eventually - see comments re durdling
G2 I win! I get him down, he then durdles a lot, gains life with his bow and messes about but I resolve and protect Chandra and he quits. Maybe my 'luck' has changed I think
G3 What a ridiculous notion that was :) I lose eventually after a lot of long drawn out durdling with 3 fucking silly walls in play :)

Match 5 0 -2 Vs Mono B - I know! This is like an auto-win nearly ALL the time! Apart from this one :)
G 1 I mull a 1 lander, into a slow 1 lander, into a 1 lander. I keep the 5 cards, don't draw any more land and die. His Nightshade actually stole my T4 mountain and played it, just to add insult to injury :) Ah well I think, it happens :)
G 2 I keep
an okay but not really fast hand (no Emily). The first 9 spells he resolves are removal, 3 are Pharika's Cure. I think I got one attack in before I died to a Demon.
At this point I'm somehow still calm but I've also decided staying on until I win a Match, even if I am up all night! :)

Match 6 2-0 Vs Mono B Hallelujah! I win a match :)
G1 I play lots of monsters and win very quickly.
G2 I do the same thing again, pretty much :)
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Postby Jack » Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:20 am

Our life total does not matter against Dega (which is about 40% of my local meta, thus my refusal to cut Eruption from my sb). We just have to he really ducking fast or have the right removal spell at the right time (Mortars can't kill demon, Chained can't kill Baron).
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Postby montu » Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:44 am

~ What’s the play? Opening hands with Firedrinker & Cackler ~
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Just some quick thoughts on the above:

1) I will generally always play Cackler(s) first, since they have some advantage against black removal (i.e., Doom Blade)

2) The exception is if my opponent is playing Soldier of Pantheon. Then I'll play Firedrinker first, and work to get any Soldiers off the board. This is particularly important when playing BTEs (which I do) and Reckoners (which I don't).

Interested in other views on this.

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Postby Link » Sun Nov 03, 2013 3:13 am

Man, I run Satyr out all day against any deck in which I must play Beatdown. Dega included.
Even against Naya and Big Boros?
especially against naya

whether they're playing 0/3 plants or naya control


though I do miss me my free wins with volcanic strength...

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Postby Link » Sun Nov 03, 2013 3:15 am

also dega's removal is pretty expensive outside their "sometimes they just have it" curve into anger of the gods on their mana, so I'd jam satyrs all day.

especially if you can curve out and they curve out on removal, you're left with a firedrinker satyr vs. a blood baron and guess who's still swingin

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Postby LaZerBurn » Sun Nov 03, 2013 3:20 am

- FDS is a better first drop against Sylvan Caryatid

As a general rule on the play against an unknown opp I'll drop a Cackler. Once I know what they are playing I'll adjust depending on what they are playing and what else I have in my hand.
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Postby magicdownunder » Sun Nov 03, 2013 3:47 am

Man, I run Satyr out all day against any deck in which I must play Beatdown. Dega included.
Even against Naya and Big Boros?
especially against naya

whether they're playing 0/3 plants or naya control


though I do miss me my free wins with volcanic strength...
Interesting, vs BRW and BR I can understand - but Naya and Big Boros have tons of red removal (at least the ones I've been
facing as of late) I had my Satyr Mortar a few too many times for me to like him in that MU thus I've been bringing in Boros Reckoner for it.
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Postby Link » Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:01 am

thats a fair trade up that I can get behind, I was just more advising against siding out satyr for reactive SB cards and decreasing your threat density

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Postby Helios » Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:02 am

Good advice, MDU and Fate.

On the play against an unknown, Cackler. If they are playing green and have a first turn mystic, you probably don't want them blocking your Satyr, plus you still have the opportunity to play him next turn (else we wouldn't be answering this question;) ). Against black, they don't have an answer to Cackler until their turn two, so you still have the opportunity to play your Satyr on your turn two and prevent a Devour Flesh.

On the draw, I get to see what my your opponent is playing and make an informed decision. Since this question only applies to a double one-drop hand, you're rarely going to pump Satyr on your turn two instead of playing another one drop, so the only time Satyr is "better" turn one is when your opponent is on green and doesn't play a Mystic. On the draw, you should be able to figure that out pretty easily and play accordingly.

Against Dega, consider that
you'd rather them Anger on turn 3 than to Helix it later.

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Postby Keftenk » Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:08 am

Anyone else been playing with Pyrewild Shaman? I'm curious about others thoughts, if any.

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Postby RaidaTheBlade » Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:59 am

So, been doing some thinking post fnm... I really liked how the deck felt, but one issue I noticed was that there were a few times where I drew burn when I'd have preferred a creature. It wasnt always a problem, but it was still a thing.

Decklist for looking:
[deck]
Creatures:
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Ash Zealot
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Chandra's Phoenix

Burn:
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
4 Shock
4 Mizzium Mortars

Thighs:
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Land:
21 Mountain
1 Mutavault


Sideboard:
3 Act of Treason
2 Skullcrack
4 Boros Reckoner
1 Hammer of Purphoros
3 Fanatic of Mogis
2 Frostburn Weird
[/deck]

So, one thing I'm considering is to drop 2-3 burn spells (either 1 mortar and 1 shock, or 2 mortars, or 2 mortars and a shock).
The question is what to bring in... I could grab rsf's for a bit more speed, or somehow find some ffs's for the falter, but I'm fairly tempted to
put in 3 reckoners.

They're slower then most of the cards here, but at fnm I sided them in a lot, as there were a lot of aggro and midrange(big guys) decks, where he helped a lot. And even in the matches where I need to be super quick, I think he doesn't slow me down too much...

Basically I wanted some thoughts, cause I always tend to doubt myself e.e That and I dunno if dropping 3 burn so I only have 13 main is a good idea... I would be more comfortable at 14, but If I go reckoner, I'd want 3, so dunno what other thing I'd drop one of. Maybe satyr cause it's the only real possibility... :sherlock:

Again, thoughts? (Please? e.e)
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Postby Helios » Sun Nov 03, 2013 5:57 am

If your meta is non-black midrange / aggro heavy, -2 Mortars +2 Reckoner seems fine.

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Postby RaidaTheBlade » Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:09 am

There is some black actually. A good bit of it. And a lot of dega lists seem to be sticking their heads in...
Also one dickish naya build e.e
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Postby Helios » Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:58 am

FNM Report:

Deck is standard Walter White, SB -3 Peak Eruption +2 Fanatic +1 Flames.

Round 1: Josh Stronk with Junk Midrange 0-2
What a disappointing start to FNM. Josh and I had played before, and it was a matchup that I'm comfortable with.

Game 1 I was on the draw, with a decent hand but no one-drops (double YP$). After my Magma Jet, I saw nothing but lands for the rest of the game. He was mana screwed, which let me get beats in for a while, but he hit his fourth while I was on my 10th. By that point, he had a hand full a gas and I couldn't catch up.

SB: -8 1-drops, +Mortars, Chained, Skullcrack

I'm not sure if that SB plan is correct, but considering my opponent was very happy with my turn 1 temple, I'd assume it was wrong. Magma Jet revealed another flood, and 4 lands later (after I scryed two to the bottom) I was dead.

We talked about the match afterwards, and he
speculated that Shock was lower-impact than the one drops. My argument was that so many of his creatures stonewall the one drops early, so why not just put in removal for those creatures instead? Shock + Ash Zealot is pretty much a removal spell. Thoughts?

0-2

Round 2: Jeremy with RB Control 2-1

I put him on Mono blue, because that's what he's played for 3 weeks now. Little did I know, I was wrong.

Game 1 I had to Mull to 6, and kept a one-lander with Magma Jet on two and two 1-drops; since I put him on Mono U, I wasn't expecting the turn 1 Thoughseize that hit my Jet. My Cackler's flesh got devoured, Satyr had a Hero's Downfall, and I never saw another land. Fortunately, I at least got a read on what he was playing because he played (unnecessarily) Demons, Stormbreath, and Rakdos's Return to finish me.

SB: -4 Shock, +1 Flames, +2 Mortars, +1 Assemble the Legion

I brought in Flames because it was higher-impact than shock, and Mortars so that I'd have an easy
out to any dragons he played. This was a super intense game, and we traded back and forth for a while. I had answers to every threat, and Phoenix did a ton of work. He was looking to stabilize and finally cleared my bored + played a Dragon to my one mountain in hand, but I was able to top-deck a burn with him at 1.

Game 3 I thought about things a little more and decided to bring the other Chains in, though I can't remember what came out. I was able to pretty much kill him with Pyromancer tokens, one token dealing 7 damage to him because he spent his removal on my other threats. Phoenix finished him off.

1-1

Round 3: Jake with Mono Black

Game 1: Who's the beatdown? Two Cacklers and a Satyr were the beatdown.

SB: I don't remember, but I brought in Assemble.

Game 2: Can't remember what happened other than the triple Gary + Whip.

Game 3: I kept an opener of 4 lands + Magma Jet + Chandra + Assemble. There was absolutely nothing he could do about Assemble, and it
won.

2-1

Round 4: Taylor with America Control
Taylor is one of my testing buddies, so we were pretty relaxed and had a good time. I didn't take notes, but I got it 2-1.

3-1

Round 5: Stephen with Esper
The two 4-0's split for top, so whichever of us won got to prize. This match was for all the marbles. Thus, my notes again disappear and I just have life totals.

Game 1: I played threats out in pairs, and he couldn't keep up.

SB: -4 Shock, +1 Flames +3 Skullcrack.

Game 2: I got him to 12 before presumably running out of gas, and his turn 6 Aetherling raced me.

Game 3: He had Aetherling again, but had gotten so used to paying the 1 blue to "untap" it post-combat that he Supreme Verdict'd, payed his blue to exile it, and then realized he had no more mana untapped when his Aetherling died on the way out to a Strike / Shock. He kept drawing lands, but had one card in his hand for while as I was in the midst of beating down. He
found a Verdict, and I just hit with Mutavault for a few turns while keeping an eye on his card. I got him to 5, and then he finally pulled the trigger and played Revelation. With it on the stack, Shock and Lightning Strike got there for game.

4-1

I was able to get enough credit to pay for entry and have $20 in the bank for next week's FNM. Good times.

Comments on my SB'ing would be most appreciated.


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