How is that "barely provid[ing] any Day2 content"?
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Of course it's not. I'm a newbie making my first ever case and it happens to be against an experienced player. Odds are that won't go well for me. But I saw some inconsistencies and felt I should point them out.I agree that the iso/rcw exchange is not making rcw look good at all
Son, I want you to know that no matter what happens between your mother and me, it's all your fault.
Emphasis mine.Here's where my REAL problem with Suga developed. Suga, having provided absolutely no original content so far in the game, pushed Checkbox past L-2
I've put in (again, emphasis added) the word "past." You'll see that my points remain unchanged. I simply made the mistake of writing "to" and "at" instead of "past." It really doesn't change the meaning that I intended. And to focus in on such a tiny detail seems scummy to me. Trying to throw out an entire case because of such an insignificant detail, and get everybody wrapped up in it.In this quote he states that pushing Checkbox to [
size=150](past)[/size] L-2 was bad. Why? Townies voting for scum, especially when others see it too, should be a good thing. He then proceeds to call Suga's reasons for voting weak, and decides to base his actions on that. Then, his most powerful statement of the post, is that Suga is the "best wagon we have" even though there were 2 people at (or past) L-2 at that point.
Son, I want you to know that no matter what happens between your mother and me, it's all your fault.
Iso, you've got be kidding with this...you definitely have the ability to be a "master scum manipulator""It's not. It COULD be. But it doesn't HAVE to be. It could also be you putting that in there to hedge on it in case you had no idea whether they're blue or green."
So you're suggesting I'm some kind of master scum manipulator?
Yeah, that caught my eye too. Some of Iso's defense feels less than genuine. But you're town, right Iso? God damnit.Iso, you've got be kidding with this...you definitely have the ability to be a "master scum manipulator"
TubeHunter said he'd elaborate, but I'd actually rather ask you to do so. Please elaborate.I agree that the iso/rcw exchange is not making rcw look good at all
I'm not sure if it's malicious or not - that depends on whether or not rcw recognizes that the fact that putting Checkbox at L-1 instead of L-2 completely changes the context of what happened and what was said.Iso, you're saying rcw quoted you out of context (presumably for malicious reasons). Can you go into detail there, because I'm not seeing it. Are you just talking about the fact that he said L-2 instead of L-1?
Why?I agree that the iso/rcw exchange is not making rcw look good at all
Do you not understand that it changes the entire premise of what you're saying, as it completely validates everything I've said about it up to this point?I've put in (again, emphasis added) the word "past." You'll see that my points remain unchanged. I simply made the mistake of writing "to" and "at" instead of "past." It really doesn't change the meaning that I intended. And to focus in on such a tiny detail seems scummy to me. Trying to throw out an entire case because of such an insignificant detail, and get everybody wrapped up in it.
Iso, you've got be kidding with this...you definitely have the ability to be a "master scum manipulator"[/quote][quote="Iso » Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:33 pm":
w2owyz8l]"It's not. It COULD be. But it doesn't HAVE to be. It could also be you putting that in there to hedge on it in case you had no idea whether they're blue or green."
So you're suggesting I'm some kind of master scum manipulator?
I just wanted myYeah, that caught my eye too. Some of Iso's defense feels less than genuine. But you're town, right Iso? God damnit.Iso, you've got be kidding with this...you definitely have the ability to be a "master scum manipulator"
Okay, back on track. rcw/TubeHunter scumteam makes a lot of sense. Despite rcw's insistence that he didn't want to derail TubeHunter's lynch, that's exactly what happened. The only thing bugging me about this is that rcw listed only Iso and Tube as potential scum. Scum never do this. If Tube was scum, scumrcw would normally have another (town) player on that list of potentials. At least one. You don't narrow it down to two where one is your buddy and the other is most likely cleared. If Tube was town, scumrcw wouldn't derail a perfectly good wagon to go after Iso, especially after I just got through saying that he's not going to be lynched today and especially especially since rcw had been knocked off the potentials list of both me and Iso. I'm just not seeing a solid scum agenda either way, which leaves me with rcw as town. Awkward
town who decided a promise was more important than chilling out? I guess so? Ugh. I think I need to go over this again.
Given that rcw made it clear he doesn't understand why there's such a big difference, I think calling him town is fair.And once again, inb4'd by Stardust.TubeHunter said he'd elaborate, but I'd actually rather ask you to do so. Please elaborate.I agree that the iso/rcw exchange is not making rcw look good at all
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I have thought iso was scummy in every game I've played with him so far but there are never enough people to lynch him. Especially in games when manders is acting as his bodyguardOh for the love of cube.
Iso, do you sometimes act scummy on purpose? Not talking about gambits here. Just for no real reason.
I played in the first game on this site with isoBut don't talk about ongoing games, even if you're talking about the dead. What other games have you played with Iso?
Stardust, it seemed like you wanted to give an estimation of who are most likely to be scumbuddies. Did I missSo that naked vote on Tubehunter was actually for RedNihilist's benefit. I saw that he was online and thought I might be able to force a response, even if that response was him saying my naked vote was scummy. Obviously that didn't work. The fact that he refuses to even comment (let alone take sides) on the Checkbox vs. Tubehunter issue makes me think that he's got ties with one or the other. Defend a buddy unsuccessfully and that looks terrible. Jump on the wagon of the townie player, and it looks like you're following your buddy too closely. So is it Checkbox or Tubehunter?
Before I try to answer that question, I'd better make sure Red is actually scum. For everyone's benefit, here are all his posts.
This is not necessarily true, as seen in this post.You were suspicious of Red because he didn't clarify his Suga vote? He at least gave a reason for voting Suga, whereas you just stated that Suga was "acting scummy", without giving any further clarification or reasoning yourself.
I'm sorry, it's not entirely self-evident to me. Is it because making a second post suggests Checkbox feels like a caveat for the case that TubeHunter is scum is necessary, in turn suggesting that he actually knows TubeHunter is town? If not, could you explain your thought process here?Don't just give up and be Suga2.0. That is the worst possible thing for the town right now.The fact that these are two posts instead of one really bothers me. Should be fairly obvious why, I think.Of course, if you are scum, feel free to just roll over and die.
I'm gonna guess that saying "I'm so confused right now..." is a total fence-sit. It can easily progress into "...because you are acting all scummy!" or "...because I don't understand why you would keep a secret from your fellow townies." based on the other responses to that post.A second ago you "knew" I was town. Now you don't trust me?
I've also already said that the information is right here in this
thread, the details of which I will reveal in time. If you can't see it, it's not my fault, and is in fact the whole reason why I'm keeping it secret - I don't want you to know.
I'll leave the quiz running for a while before I describe why what TubeHunter's doing right now is actually a really solid scum tell.
After casing each one in turn, I decided that trying to tie people together isn't very valuable at this time. Trying to do that too early has burned me before. Towards the end of toDay I will be putting out what I see as the potential combinations of who we have left in case I don't make it through the night.Stardust, it seemed like you wanted to give an estimation of who are most likely to be scumbuddies. Did I miss this, or have you held off on that for now?
That is a strong possibility. I like your thoughtwhat about Checkbox and RedNihilist as a scumteam?
Don't be so sure. When you see yourself as a sinking ship, reacting by jumping on your scum buddy is very common. Either they get lynched and you get to say, "See! I was right!" or you get lynched and everyone says exactly what you just said, clearing your buddy. To me, this is a null tell.I don't think he would be so quick to jump on RedNihilist after you cased the latter if they were buddies.
Agreed. Checkbox targeting TubeHunter out of the blue was strange enough, but TubeHunter's reaction to Checkbox's case really sealed this for me.Checkbox put up a pretty good case against TubeHunter before the bandwagon was even started to which the response was basically an angry "NO U", so I think that
discounts them as a scumteam.
What went through Checkbox's head to make the second post? His first post is pretty innocuous (a town player could have posted that), but it's common among scum players to be paranoid about showing that they know someone is town. Checkbox may have thought his first post made it look like that, so he quickly made a second post to prove that he's unsure. Further, townCheckbox should be more or less convinced that Tube is scum. At leastI'm sorry, it's not entirely self-evident to me. Is it because making a second post suggests Checkbox feels like a caveat for the case that TubeHunter is scum is necessary, in turn suggesting that he actually knows TubeHunter is town? If not, could you explain your thought process here?Don't just give up and be Suga2.0. That is the worst possible thing for the town right now.The fact that these are two posts instead of one really bothers me. Should be fairly obvious why, I think.Of course, if you are scum, feel free to just roll
over and die.
Hah, I'd forgotten that I never went back to this! Nice try, but that's not what I saw (and I don't think being confused counts as a scum tell). As I said, Red was close when he said it was about TubeHunter asking for information.I'm gonna guess that saying "I'm so confused right now..." is a total fence-sit. It can easily progress into "...because you are acting all scummy!" or "...because I don't understand why you would keep a secret from your fellow townies." based on the other responses to that post.
For your benefit, Iso, a list of scummy things you have done recently.It's not on purpose.Oh for the love of cube.
Iso, do you sometimes act scummy on purpose? Not talking about gambits here. Just for no real reason.I don't know why people almost always think I'm scummy.
All that because rcw said L-2 instead of L-1? Drama queen, much? Additionally, this question looks like a trap.Put yourself in my shoes. If you're town getting cased and somebody presents something so flawed that it's obvious that the case is not sincere and that they chose to twist facts and quotes out of context, how would you react?
At first glance, it could have easily been malicious.
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Could you please explain that in your own words rather than stealing Clownfish's? Just detail exactly what was going through your mind at the time. Also, if you realised it was boneheaded, why not make a "nevermind" post immediately after?Clownfish hit the nail on the head with "withhold info from the town" part. I realized what a bonehead thing that was to say almost immediately after.
Now why'd you have to go and make me think about my vote? This is just you trying to appeal to our emotions, right? Right?Frustration. When you are are the fast track to being mislynch number 2 after being fairly certain that you were pretty safe. And when you floundered under pressure like I did, you begin to get frustrated. When I saw your info posts, in my mindset it came out as "tee hee we know info that could help the town but were not going to tell you" also, it's not fun feeling like 1 vs all, and when you hear a suspected town player say they have information you feel like " oh god maybe that info can help me out please Someone help me". As to no never mind post, have you ever been upset and made a bad desicion and knew it was bad but you didn't care cause you were upset? And then later you are like " oh god i fucked up!" That is what happened
to me.
Son, I want you to know that no matter what happens between your mother and me, it's all your fault.
Alright, duly noted. I do think that Checkbox, RedNihilist and TubeHunter are most likely to beAfter casing each one in turn, I decided that trying to tie people together isn't very valuable at this time. Trying to do that too early has burned me before. Towards the end of toDay I will be putting out what I see as the potential combinations of who we have left in case I don't make it through the night.Stardust, it seemed like you wanted to give an estimation of who are most likely to be scumbuddies. Did I miss this, or have you held off on that for now?
That's very good to know. It means that thereDon't be so sure. When you see yourself as a sinking ship, reacting by jumping on your scum buddy is very common. Either they get lynched and you get to say, "See! I was right!" or you get lynched and everyone says exactly what you just said, clearing your buddy. To me, this is a null tell.I don't think he would be so quick to jump on RedNihilist after you cased the latter if they were buddies.
Cool, that was sort of along the lines I was thinking. The paranoia bit makes a lot of sense.What went through Checkbox's head to make the second post? His first post is pretty innocuous (a town player could have posted that), but it's common among scum players to be paranoid about showing that they know someone is town. Checkbox may have thought his first post made it look like that, so he quickly made a second post to prove that he's unsure. Further, townCheckbox should be more or less convinced that Tube is scum. At least certain enough that that should have been his first thought rather than his second.
Hah, I'd forgotten that I never went back to this! Nice try, but that's not what I saw (and I don't think being confused counts as a scum tell). As I said, Red was close when he said it was about TubeHunter asking for information.I'm gonna guess that saying "I'm so confused right now..." is a total fence-sit. It can easily progress into "...because you are acting all scummy!" or "...because I don't understand why you would keep a secret from your fellow townies." based on the other responses to that post.
to me, Iso won that exchange, and it wasn't even close. 
after being reminded that he targeted Red late Day 1. This is super scummy to me; if he were townie, presumably he wouldn't have forgotten about that read and wouldn't have to be reminded of it pages later only after he came out of a case/response exchange looking worse than before.
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