"This gambit put him in no real danger whatsoever. He stated that townies are blue in their role PM, and followed it up with a question and an insecure smilie. He was simply fishing. He didn't care at that point whether blue was right, and scum wouldn't know. If someone chimes in and says "yes, they're blue" then scumIso is fine and can proclaim that person town or scum or say nothing at all and let the chips fall. If someone vehemently objects, as imopen did, he can do likewise. The gambit basically lets him sit back, watch people's reactions, and decide whether or not he wants to act after getting information."
I disagree. I made an opening gambit post in an attempt to either clear a townie or catch a scummy. As it was, there was no way for me to discern whether or not imopen was being serious or not in his countervote to me. I explained my rationale thoroughly in my next posts to discount the
possibility of someone using this as a point against me, which you have conveniently ignored. The emote at the end of my first post should have been a clear indicator that I knew town role PMs weren't blue.
"In this quote he states that pushing Checkbox to L-2 was bad. Why? Townies voting for scum, especially when others see it too, should be a good thing. He then proceeds to call Suga's reasons for voting weak, and decides to base his actions on that. Then, his most powerful statement of the post, is that Suga is the "best wagon we have" even though there were 2 people at L-2 at that point. He then proceeds to say he's ready to end the day multiple times. On top of all this, he tried to set himself up as an experienced player imparting his knowledge to the newbies. Him taking advantage of that relationship means he sheeped us (or we sheeped him?). He finishes by writing off his initial scum read on Checkbox as Checkbox being Suga's scum buddy. How convenient."
No, he pushed
Checkbox to L-1. I stated that was bad. It's bad because it artificially inflates the speed of the wagon, making it harder to get a read off of the scum votes on the wagon, it puts him within hammer range (which could lead to a scum self-hammer, depriving us of information, an accidental townie hammer, which would make the townie in question look bad and possibly get mislynched, or an opportunistic scum hammer who could claim that he wasn't aware of Checkbox being at L-1), and we hadn't even heard his claim at that point. Also, did you just confirm that you know Checkbox is scum?
Your specific phrasing: "Townies voting for scum...should be a good thing." So unless I knew Checkbox was scum, how is that a valid point against me? Additionally, if I knew Checkbox was scum, I would have to be scum, too - meaning I was attempting to force him to claim on a Day we lynched a townie - and that Checkbox came out of the gate
with poor pressure on his theoretical scumbuddy. After reading this, you're going to have to parse these contradictions for me or nobody is going to take your case seriously. Also, did I not state at the end of Day 1 that I thought Checkbox was town?
"This sounds entirely too manipulative. I can't speak for the other newbies, but everything Iso says here is simply common sense and doesn't take much work to realize. But coming out and saying it's for the new players' benefit is an attempt to establish trust, and continue the sheeping on his wagon of Suga."
Um...or I'm stating exactly why I'm doing what I'm doing for the benefit of the newer players.
Which, y'know, was the point of me joining this game to begin with.
"A cult of personality, huh? How do you think sheeping happens? Case in point."
I never said I didn't get sheeped on Suga. But what does this have to do
with the fact that I was very clearly pushing Suga to give us some reads that didn't suck to see if there was any reason to keep him alive?
"Yes. A very big one."
"Oh? Checkbox is town? Realize that this is said after Iso: 1. initially voted Checkbox and 2. Accused Checkbox of being Suga's scumbuddy and 3. accuses Suga of not providing content because of not wanting to incriminate Checkbox"
Oh no, how dare my reads evolve through the course of the game! As a townie, I must always stick to my guns and never change my mind on anything when new facts come to light!
Do you seriously think me changing my view on Checkbox as a result of my interpretation of his mindset that I explained near the end of Day 1 is indicative of me being scum? Additionally, please find the quote
where I specifically state that Suga is not providing content so as to not incriminate CHECKBOX (as opposed to "Suga's buddies").
"And finally, I have a very big question for Iso. Iso, in addition to responding to the above, why did you keep asking for Checkbox's claim despite locking in Suga's lynch? What possible town motivation would you have for that?"
I believe you will find the answer to this question in Day 1, where I answered Checkbox asking the exact same question.
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Your case is weak and has many gaping holes in the logic. You also misrepresented a lot of facts in said case.
Put yourself in my shoes. If you're town getting cased and somebody presents something so flawed that it's obvious that the case is not sincere and that they chose to twist facts and quotes out of context, how would you react?
Additionally: Why did you include none of my Day 2 posts in your case?
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@Checkbox: Please don't answer questions for other players.
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@rcw: You'
ll find that didn't answer my question. Please answer my question.
We're the Experienced players, we're supposed to be taking the reins.
