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Postby MattT » Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:02 pm

Perhaps the communication problem wasn't on zem's end?
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Postby redthirst » Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:32 pm

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Postby zemanjaski » Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:02 am

Next video topic, Zemanjaski on Mono Red #2: Mono Red Card Evaluation

- AIR vs Sligh vs RDW vs Kuroda; key differences in strategy and how this affects card evaluation
- some thoughs on 1 drops
- tension in the two drop slot; Ash Zealot vs BTE; YP vs GHC vs FFS and deck building concessions based on these choices
- burn, what's most appropriate for your archetype?

Hopefully feat. Alex, maybe LP
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Postby Calamity » Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:55 am

Can't wait
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Postby zemanjaski » Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:58 pm

Lecture 2 is tomorrow at 7am EST, or 9pm Melbourne time.
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Postby zemanjaski » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:58 pm

Well Alex is involved so yes, almost certainly.
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Postby DerWille » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:59 pm

I gotta know. Who's giving and who's taking? I wanna fantasize about this before you two get going.

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Postby zemanjaski » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:19 pm

We'll do whatever you want, just be sure to watch!

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Postby zemanjaski » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:04 am

Stream up in 1 hour.
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Postby warwizard87 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:15 am

wish I wasn't at work =[ don't get off till 8 am lol
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Postby zemanjaski » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:17 am

Watch the recording later :)
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Postby warwizard87 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:21 am

I will lol they are pretty nice.
I conceder myself a pretty good red mage but your articles actually make me better.
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Postby Zooligan » Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:29 pm

Twitch app on iPad kinda sucks...

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Postby Valdarith » Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:48 pm

Twitch app on iPad kinda sucks...
Really? It's pretty good on my Transformer. My only gripe is that I can't figure out how to go to past recordings. AFAIK it will only direct you to live streams.
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Postby Helios » Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:58 pm

Loved what I heard, can't wait to listen to the rest.

I couldn't get to Z's stream on the iphone version...

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Postby Yarpus » Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:19 pm

Yep, stream was really, really awesome. I think Zem and Alex should totally go for the podcast form. Listening to them talking about format, construction and history of Red decks is actually enjoyable even without any sort of visual part. I've missed some part of it due to me going for a trip - trip got postponed though. I hope that soon they'll publish the video AND will actually do that again.

I'm currently working on UR Control they were talking about on stream.
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Postby warwizard87 » Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:16 am

tried listiningto the recording of it...badly broken up
well before the 10 min mark.
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Postby Helios » Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:46 am

Just skip to the point where they restart, it gets better. 30 min, and hour in? Somewhere around there.

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Postby Narcasus » Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:05 am

It had a lot of good information in it, and then parts are awkward when zem's mic decides it doesnt want to work for awhile and you are listening to a guy talk to a ghost only he can hear. Overall i felt i learned some for sure.

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Postby warwizard87 » Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:29 am

Just skip to the point where they restart, it gets better. 30 min, and hour in? Somewhere around there.
yeah I found it took effort lol. loved the conversation on cedric LULZ so hard about that. I am better at magic then that guy.
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Postby zemanjaski » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:01 am

Better at spelling as well apparently :teach:
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Postby warwizard87 » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:26 am

Better at spelling as well apparently :teach:
not hardly my spelling is balls, if not for spell check id look like a moron. :scared:
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Postby kloned1 » Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:16 pm

Just skip to the point where they restart, it gets better. 30 min, and hour in? Somewhere around there.
Yeah, I listened to the discussion on twitch. It was worth listening to, in spite of the technical difficulties. Thanks Z and the other guy. Who was the other guy?
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This guy: http://diestoremoval.com/memberlist.php ... file&u=449
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This guy: http://diestoremoval.com/memberlist.php ... file&u=449
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Postby Str1fe5 » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:23 am

This guy: http://diestoremoval.com/memberlist.php ... file&u=449
Editor extraordinaire and Clan SUPER GAY of FoS.
Fixed that for you.
Come on dude really? What are we in like 6th grade?

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Postby DerWille » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:42 am

We're in 7th grade, thank you!

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Postby Verseau » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:54 am

[deck]Creatures
4 Burning Tree Emissary
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Firefist Striker
4 Gore-House Chainwalker
4 Rakdos Cackler

Other Spells
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
2 Hammer of Purphorous
2 Purphoros, God of the Forge
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet

Land
19 Mountain
3 Mutavault

Sideboard
4 Ash Zealot
4 Boros Reckoner
2 Shock
2 Mizzium Mortar
[/deck]

Yesterday i test deck this with my friend, i lost 0 - 2, it's just a very bad matchup, then we goes to sideboarding, i put out Rakdos Cackler and Satyr Firedrinker, and put in Ash Zealot and Boros Reckoner. But i still lost 0 - 3 to him. Then i just gave up
Total i lost 0 - 5 to him

he is using Naya Midrange his deck looks like about this:
[deck]2 Xenagos the Reveler
2 Domri Rade
2 Purphoros, God of the Forge
2 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
4 Boros Reckoner
3 Chained to the Rock
3 Magma Jet
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Postby Alex » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:40 am

So I can post in this thread just fine. Let me know if it works for you, James.

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Postby zemanjaski » Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:05 am

Works now, thanks!

MODO is up Tuesday or Wednesday, so expect our first DE stream in less than a week.
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Postby Yarpus » Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:20 am

When Theros cards are gonna hit the virtual shelves? I wanna stock myself with some fine Red cards.
On the other hand that's gonna be an issue. Either playing Modo on my own or watching ya.
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Postby Helios » Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:49 am

Loving Pyrored more and more. Stormbreath in the side: unnecessary? I was a fan of the "go big" package from last year.
Come on dude really? What are we in like 6th grade?
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Postby zemanjaski » Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:15 am

I don't like the tension between Stormbreath and Chandra/Hammer:
- Chandra can't draw a card when you have dragons in your deck but no 5th land; and
- Hammer is both more resilient (doesn't die to doom blade) and I think is honestly just more powerful, everywhere; Hammer wants to make 3/3s right away.

They're both non-ideal vs. aggro; hammer is better vs. control and I think that's a key archetype to best now; dragon is better again midrange which isn't.
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Postby photodyer » Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:08 am

James, that last post needs to go in the Q&A/points of the primer. Those few lines of text pull red-based deck construction into sharp focus as far as delineating between base decks that are designed to "go big" with a transformational sideboard and boarding to maximize card strength in various MU's. I know you are just stating the facts as a given in your head, but that post is absolutely brilliant. :grovel:
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Postby zemanjaski » Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:49 am

Dude I just turn guys sideways.
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Postby Verseau » Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:21 am

I don't like the tension between Stormbreath and Chandra/Hammer:
- Chandra can't draw a card when you have dragons in your deck but no 5th land; and
- Hammer is both more resilient (doesn't die to doom blade) and I think is honestly just more powerful, everywhere; Hammer wants to make 3/3s right away.

They're both non-ideal vs. aggro; hammer is better vs. control and I think that's a key archetype to best now; dragon is better again midrange which isn't.
sorry, Z, i am purely asking here, not to contradict or oppose you. i just don't quite understand it, forgive my poor english :p

so are you saying stormbreath is only better against midrange, and even
than strombreath is still not good enough ???

so conclusion is, stormbreath is just bad ?
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Postby zemanjaski » Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:26 am

Hey mate, no problem, I'm here to answer questions.

I think hammer is better than dragon vs. control. Why?
- control decks don't block now;
- hammer turns every land into a threat, dramatically increasing virtual card advantage; and
- stormbreath costs 5. Hammer costs 3. It's easier to resolve a hammer; hammer doesn't die to doom blade

I think the dragon is better against midrange because midrange decks dominate the board and 3/3s don't beat 4/5s; dragon can fly over.

I'm not convinced that the dragon is good enough to curve to 5; but I don't think it's bad.
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Postby Verseau » Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:36 am

oh ok, so just say we mainboard hammer.
then when our opponent is midrange, we board in stormbreath dragon. or maybe there's another better card for against midrange ???
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