[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

[Second Harkius]

correction, most 6 year olds I know aren't misogynistic racists.

Dude, I didn't know we had racist's in the clan. When is it "smack whitey" day?

Seriously though, while I'm not an advocate of trolling, just to troll, this nigga is the PERFECT candidate if that's something your in to.

Kijin is seriously one of the dumbest motherfuckers on this forum. The sharking thread was evidence enough to
prove that.

I'd ask what he does as far as being a mod, but half of the mods on this forum don't do anything at all so it's really a pointless question. It's mostly the FoS show around here.

I move threads around and ban spambots.

[photodyer]

I'm going to work up a portfolio of articles and look around. I'll edit your stuff too since I have admin privileges and can edit on any forum now.

So you're going to take on copy-editing the primer, Alex? I was going to start on it today, but if you want the job, more power to ya, Carolina boy.

I'll help. I didn't have anything in
mind to start out with, I was just going to do some general clerical proofreading.

My thoughts exactly...sounds like a plan.

[Yarpus]

I've found an awesome toy for Izzet Control. Premium SB material.


Hey, nice Planeswalker bro! You planned to ult next turn? Silly.
I'd even consider putting singleton Temple of Triumph to have that clearly theoretical chance to play Release to win the Pro Tour with greediness.

[redthirst]

correction, most 6 year olds I know aren't misogynistic racists.

Dude, I didn't know we had racist's in the clan. When is it "smack whitey" day?

It's about time those goddamned snow monkeys got what was coming to them.

[redthirst]

But seriously, I've quit trying to reason with that thing - Thrillho is to minorities what Teia is to the LGBT community.

[warwizard87]

Brad's list for reference.

[deck]Creatures (24)
4 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Firefist Striker
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Young Pyromancer

Planeswalkers (2)
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Lands (22)
18 Mountain
4 Mutavault

Spells (12)
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
4 Shock

Sideboard (15)
4 Skullcrack
2 Act of Treason
3 Anger of the Gods
2 Mizzium Mortars
4 Peak Eruption[/deck]

He beat Gerry (U/w Control) 4-1. He admits he "copy and paste"d it off the internet, but nothing more.

So he took zs list and made a worse sideboard. Lol

[zemanjaski]

Expecting a lot of control at States?

4 Burning Tree Emissary
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Firefist Striker
4 Gore-House Chainwalker
4 Rakdos Cackler

3 Chandra, Pyromaster

2 Hammer of Purphorous

4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet

19 Mountain
4 Mutavault

[JWarson88]

Brad's list for reference.

[deck]Creatures (24)
4 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Firefist Striker
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Young Pyromancer

Planeswalkers (2)
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Lands (22)
18 Mountain
4 Mutavault

Spells (12)
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
4 Shock

Sideboard (15)
4 Skullcrack
2 Act of Treason
3 Anger of the Gods
2 Mizzium Mortars
4 Peak Eruption[/deck]

He beat Gerry (U/w Control) 4-1. He admits he "copy and paste"d it off the internet, but nothing more.

So he took zs list and made a worse sideboard. Lol

Not to suprising. Brad and Todd are usually the ones who play Mono Red in versus videos for the premium side and honestly I don't think i've seen either one pilot them correctly. Now that the cats out of the bag cards like last breath are sure to make an appearance. Time to next level i guess.

[JWarson88]

Expecting a lot of control at States?

4 Burning Tree Emissary
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Firefist Striker
4 Gore-House Chainwalker
4 Rakdos Cackler

3 Chandra, Pyromaster

2 Hammer of Purphorous

4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet

19 Mountain
4 Mutavault

Predicting this is decklist #3 that will be Taken. Zman you may need to call Liam Neeson

[redthirst]

I don't have your money, but what I do have is a certain set of skills...

[Yarpus]

Could Titan's Strenght or any instant-speed buff be a tech against Last Breath. I think that Titan Strenght into Chandra's Phoenix targeted with Last Breath could be really, really assholish play. Not only you suddenly generate 5 damage instead of 2, counter their removal card but also do Scry 1.

[warwizard87]

Expecting a lot of control at States?

4 Burning Tree Emissary
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Firefist Striker
4 Gore-House Chainwalker
4 Rakdos Cackler

3 Chandra, Pyromaster

2 Hammer of Purphorous

4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet

19 Mountain
4 Mutavault

Seems okay, I have fallen out of love with bte though. I expect wv states to be as per the norm mostly red aggro bad midrange and esper so I'm most likely taking your young pyromancer list.

[Lightning_Dolt]

From SCG:

Brad mentioned that he copied and pasted the mono red list. It originated on diestoremoval.com and was the brain child of user Zemanjaski. Same guy who came up with the 4 Thundermaw Sledgehammer decks last year.

[warwizard87]

Could Titan's Strenght or any instant-speed buff be a tech against Last Breath. I think that Titan Strenght into Chandra's Phoenix targeted with Last Breath could be really, really assholish play. Not only you suddenly generate 5 damage instead of 2, counter their removal card but also do Scry 1.

Mabey but is that what we really want to be doing vs uwx control?

[warwizard87]

From SCG:

Brad mentioned that he copied and pasted the mono red list. It originated on diestoremoval.com and was the brain child of user Zemanjaski. Same guy who came up with the 4 Thundermaw Sledgehammer decks last year.

Nice, my vote they fire Cedric and fly Z up here to do open commentary, I watched the open videos last night at work god he really is retarded. Also that mono red deck that won got so Damn lucky in the semis and the finals ot was sad. Finals guy punted the match hard.

[zemanjaski]

At least Ari and MJ rep ya when they use your stuff.

Yeah I hate BTE card fucking blows. If you think you'll see a lot if red aggro, go nuts with PyroRed. I'm still working on board tech so ill let you know what I come up with.

[zemanjaski]

Thanks JS.

[DerWille]

Expecting a lot of control at States?

4 Burning Tree Emissary
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Firefist Striker
4 Gore-House Chainwalker
4 Rakdos Cackler

3 Chandra, Pyromaster

2 Hammer of Purphorous

4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet

19 Mountain
4 Mutavault

Outside of -2 Mutavault (because I don't have them), this was basically what I was running. It does have a good control match up, especially if you can have two BTE chains and a hammer on the field. However, it's weak to red devotion aggro. Anything running an Ash Zealot or Reckoner can basically stonewall you. Post board gets worse when they throw in Frostburn Weirds and their burn.

Against control, the main way I won was via Chandra + Hammer on the field.
Loosely you draw a mountain every other turn and send out all your guys to always have 4 to 6 power on the field in the meantime. I tried to hover around 5 to 7 mana.

I think your old list is better, maybe take out a couple cards for an extra hammer or two in the main board to make the control match up stronger. Rarely have I been upset to see a hammer. However, there's been times when I've been desperately searching for a lolhammer.

[zemanjaski]

I think PyroRed is a better deck in an open field but if you're expecting lots of control, this will have a better win %.

[Alex]

From SCG:

Brad mentioned that he copied and pasted the mono red list. It originated on diestoremoval.com and was the brain child of user Zemanjaski. Same guy who came up with the 4 Thundermaw Sledgehammer decks last year.

I don't recall seeing this. Where?

[Haiiro Sedai]

U/w will be packing at least 2 if not 3 main deck last breath after the open anyway. As to "making the deck worse against non-red decks" that yarpus commented on, that's just wrong. The aggro decks that showed up at the open were white green or red and they all have great targets. {All of white basically save reck/voice, ooze, experiment one/and all of red} green is the most iffy matchup for it, but a top decked ooze or voice or experiment is still gravy so the card still has value. And 4 life to them doesn't really matter when you plan on wining w/ Ætherling or Elspeth.

If I could ever get myself to play red weenie Z's new list looks sick.... Sideboard should include some of either Burning Earth or Peak Eruption imo, the rest I'd leave up to you guys.

What I can do is test it against Ur control shell I'm thinking of brewing since last night. ^.^


EDIT: Just realized I saw no reckoner. That can't
be right. I guess if it's just anti-blue beats reckoner would be on the block anyway but having 0 main seems loose as you could just fold to other's or random fatty. Is there not room for 1-2? Trim the 2's a tad. Shouldn't lower your control % significantly and lets you mise game 1 vs other red/aggro decks.

[Yarpus]

Well, Reckoner is still a problem. That's why I think PyroRed should incorporate at least Firefist Striker.

[deck]Creatures:
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Ash Zealot
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Firefist Striker
4 Chandra's Phoenix

Burn:
4 Shock
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Spear

Other Spells:
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
1 Hammer of Purphoros

Lands:
2 Mutavault
19 Mountain

Sideboard:
4 Skullcrack
4 Flames of the Firebrand
4 Mizzium Mortars
2 Act of Treason
1 Legion Loyalist[/deck]
Deck looks fine but I think I'm lacking on SB slots. I'd love to have Burning Earth to punish tri-colored decks, but if meta will get competetive enough, I hope I'll never meet shitty Kamahl Dega. I'd also cry for another Hammer in SB. Any suggestions on how to fix the SB issues? Cutting 2 Mizzium Mortars?

[redthirst]

From SCG:

Brad mentioned that he copied and pasted the mono red list. It originated on diestoremoval.com and was the brain child of user Zemanjaski. Same guy who came up with the 4 Thundermaw Sledgehammer decks last year.

I don't recall seeing this. Where?

I imagine JS posted that in the comment section.

[lorddax]

Well this seals it Alex. Thirst was right. You were TOO perfect....

Definitive Proof Alex is Gay

I fucking died laughing.

[Yarpus]

U/w will be packing at least 2 if not 3 main deck last breath after the open anyway. As to "making the deck worse against non-red decks" that yarpus commented on, that's just wrong. The aggro decks that showed up at the open were white green or red and they all have great targets. {All of white basically save reck/voice, ooze, experiment one/and all of red} green is the most iffy matchup for it, but a top decked ooze or voice or experiment is still gravy so the card still has value. And 4 life to them doesn't really matter when you plan on wining w/ Ætherling or Elspeth.

But then you're gonna draw it in UW and UB matchups, and gonna cry really hard.
I remember this shit when Bant was the big boy on the streets. They all started to play really bad cards just to get a bit of leverage during mirrors. I doubt they'd dare to play maindeck card that doesn't interact with Control
mirror at all. It's pretty damn suicidal.

[windstrider]

I'm going to work up a portfolio of articles and look around. I'll edit your stuff too since I have admin privileges and can edit on any forum now.

So you're going to take on copy-editing the primer, Alex? I was going to start on it today, but if you want the job, more power to
ya, Carolina boy.

I'll help. I didn't have anything in mind to start out with, I was just going to do some general clerical proofreading.

My thoughts exactly...sounds like a plan.

I have some experience in that area as well. Let me know if either of you want any help with that task.

[warwizard87]

Well, Reckoner is still a problem. That's why I think PyroRed should incorporate at least Firefist Striker.

[deck]Creatures:
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Ash Zealot
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Firefist Striker
4 Chandra's Phoenix

Burn:
4 Shock
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Spear

Other Spells:
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
1 Hammer of Purphoros

Lands:
2 Mutavault
19 Mountain

Sideboard:
4 Skullcrack
4 Flames of the Firebrand
4 Mizzium Mortars
2 Act of Treason
1 Legion Loyalist[/deck]
Deck looks fine but I think I'm lacking on SB slots. I'd love to have Burning Earth to punish tri-colored decks, but if meta will get competetive enough, I hope I'll never meet shitty Kamahl Dega. I'd also cry for another Hammer in SB. Any suggestions on how to fix
the SB issues? Cutting 2 Mizzium Mortars?

I run a full set of threatens on the board for Boris reckoner. I dont like striker in that match up since I am boarding out 8 one drops weaking the strikers ability to get battalion.

[Haiiro Sedai]

U/w will be packing at least 2 if not 3 main deck last breath after the open anyway. As to "making the deck worse against non-red decks" that yarpus commented on, that's just wrong. The aggro decks that showed up at the open were white green or red and they all have great targets. {All of white basically save reck/voice, ooze, experiment one/and all of red} green is the most iffy matchup for it, but a top decked ooze or voice or experiment is still gravy so the card still has value. And 4 life to them doesn't really matter when you plan on wining w/ Ætherling or Elspeth.

But then you're gonna draw it in UW and UB matchups, and gonna cry really hard.
I remember this shit when Bant was the big boy on the streets. They all
started to play really bad cards just to get a bit of leverage during mirrors. I doubt they'd dare to play maindeck card that doesn't interact with Control mirror at all. It's pretty damn suicidal.

Oh shit you're right! I'm going to tell my UB friends to leave all their doom blades at home, cuz mirror! Might as well hack the number of verdicts to 0 as well because all they're hitting is elspeth tokens cuz Ætherling sure isn't getting verdict'd. Might as well cut Azorius Charm too, as all it does in the mirror is cycle. More main deck divinations are needed!

[warwizard87]

Well this seals it Alex. Thirst was right. You were TOO perfect....

Definitive Proof Alex is Gay

I fucking died laughing.

Epic fucking epic

[hamfactorial]

U/w will be packing at least 2 if not 3 main deck last breath after the open anyway. As to "making the deck worse against non-red decks" that yarpus commented on, that's just wrong. The aggro decks that showed up at the open were white green or red and they all have great targets. {All of white basically save reck/voice, ooze, experiment one/and all of red} green is the most iffy matchup for it, but a top decked ooze or voice or experiment is still gravy so the card still has value. And 4 life to them doesn't really matter when you plan on wining w/ Ætherling or Elspeth.[/quote:
2nr3yv0w]
But then you're gonna draw it in UW and UB matchups, and gonna cry really hard.
I remember this shit when Bant was the big boy on the streets. They all started to play really bad cards just to get a bit of leverage during mirrors. I doubt they'd dare to play maindeck card that doesn't interact with Control mirror at all. It's pretty damn suicidal.

Oh shit you're right! I'm going to tell my UB friends to leave all their doom blades at home, cuz mirror! Might as well hack the number of verdicts to 0 as well because all they're hitting is elspeth tokens cuz Ætherling sure isn't getting verdict'd. Might as well cut Azorius Charm too, as all it does in the mirror is cycle. More main deck divinations are needed!

This is the boarding strategy that Sally can get behind!

[warwizard87]

U/w will be packing at least 2 if not 3 main deck last breath after the open anyway. As to "making the deck worse against non-red decks" that yarpus commented on, that's just wrong. The aggro decks that showed up at the open were white green or red and they all have great targets. {All of white basically save reck/voice, ooze, experiment one/and all of red} green is the most iffy matchup for it, but a top decked ooze or voice or experiment is still gravy so the card still has value. And 4 life to them doesn't really matter when you plan on wining w/ Ætherling or Elspeth.[/quote:
22skdubl]
But then you're gonna draw it in UW and UB matchups, and gonna cry really hard.
I remember this shit when Bant was the big boy on the streets. They all started to play really bad cards just to get a bit of leverage during mirrors. I doubt they'd dare to play maindeck card that doesn't interact with Control mirror at all. It's pretty damn suicidal.

Oh shit you're right! I'm going to tell my UB friends to leave all their doom blades at home, cuz mirror! Might as well hack the number of verdicts to 0 as well because all they're hitting is elspeth tokens cuz Ætherling sure isn't getting verdict'd. Might as well cut Azorius Charm too, as all it does in the mirror is cycle. More main deck divinations are needed!

I think what he is getting at is last breath only hits one deck and is dead vs everything else but doomblade is good vs that deck also vs midrange. Yeah doomblade isn't as good vs control but it has more uses then last breath

[Alex]

If we are just basing our arguments on card quality, Last Breath is basically unplayable. No matter what you're trying to do, chances are there is another card that is better than Last Breath waiting in the wings.

[Haiiro Sedai]

U/w will be packing at least 2 if not 3 main deck last breath after the open anyway. As to "making the deck worse against non-red decks" that yarpus commented on, that's just wrong. The aggro decks that showed up at the open were white green or red and they all have great targets. {All of white basically save reck/voice, ooze, experiment one/and all of red} green is the most iffy matchup for it, but a top decked ooze or
voice or experiment is still gravy so the card still has value. And 4 life to them doesn't really matter when you plan on wining w/ Ætherling or Elspeth.

But then you're gonna draw it in UW and UB matchups, and gonna cry really hard.
I remember this shit when Bant was the big boy on the streets. They all started to play really bad cards just to get a bit of leverage during mirrors. I doubt they'd dare to play maindeck card that doesn't interact with Control mirror at all. It's pretty damn suicidal.

Oh shit you're right! I'm going to tell my UB friends to leave all their doom blades at home, cuz mirror! Might as well hack the number of verdicts to 0 as well because all they're hitting is elspeth tokens cuz Ætherling sure isn't getting verdict'd. Might as well cut Azorius Charm too, as all it does in the mirror is cycle. More main deck divinations are needed!

I think what he is getting at is last breath only hits one deck and is dead vs
everything else but doomblade is good vs that deck also vs midrange. Yeah doomblade isn't as good vs control but it has more uses then last breath

Yet, it doesn't. It's only dead in blue mirrors. Looking at the top aggro lists, they all have targets that are 2/x most of them have many many targets. What we saw in the meta was White Weenie/GW aggro/Gruul and Red weenies all of which have a plethora of targets. Sure something like Dega it will be dead and against the mirror, but those are meta-game concessions that a control list will have to take. Even if you think it is "bad" after Worcester showed on screen it being sick over and over, I promise you will still see it main in several lists and knowing it will be there is key to constructing your decks regardless if you think the UW pilot is right or not in playing it.

[Alex]

Well this seals it Alex. Thirst was right. You were TOO perfect....

Definitive Proof Alex is Gay

I fucking died laughing.

Having actually read the Hans Andersen version of The Little Mermaid, you'd never assume these things. Eric is a bad motherfucker in that book. Motherfucking ship captain and all-around bad motherfucker.

[warwizard87]

I won't play more then one main, doomblade does the work breath does but then some. Never said it was "bad" but going overboard and playing 3 main deck your just shaving percentage points off match ups were its marginal or just not good..

[Alex]

U/w will be packing at least 2 if not 3 main deck last breath after the open anyway. As to "making the deck worse against non-red decks" that yarpus commented on, that's just wrong. The aggro decks that showed up at the open were white green or red and they all
have great targets. {All of white basically save reck/voice, ooze, experiment one/and all of red} green is the most iffy matchup for it, but a top decked ooze or voice or experiment is still gravy so the card still has value. And 4 life to them doesn't really matter when you plan on wining w/ Ætherling or Elspeth.

But then you're gonna draw it in UW and UB matchups, and gonna cry really hard.
I remember this shit when Bant was the big boy on the streets. They all started to play really bad cards just to get a bit of leverage during mirrors. I doubt they'd dare to play maindeck card that doesn't interact with Control mirror at all. It's pretty damn suicidal.

Oh shit you're right! I'm going to tell my UB friends to leave all their doom blades at home, cuz mirror! Might as well hack the number of verdicts to 0 as well because all they're hitting is elspeth tokens cuz Ætherling sure isn't getting verdict'd. Might as well cut Azorius Charm too, as all it does in
the mirror is cycle. More main deck divinations are needed!

I think what he is getting at is last breath only hits one deck and is dead vs everything else but doomblade is good vs that deck also vs midrange. Yeah doomblade isn't as good vs control but it has more uses then last breath

Yet, it doesn't. It's only dead in blue mirrors. Looking at the top aggro lists, they all have targets that are 2/x most of them have many many targets. What we saw in the meta was White Weenie/GW aggro/Gruul and Red weenies all of which have a plethora of targets. Sure something like Dega it will be dead and against the mirror, but those are meta-game concessions that a control list will have to take. Even if you think it is "bad" after Worcester showed on screen it being sick over and over, I promise you will still see it main in several lists and knowing it will be there is key to constructing your decks regardless if you think the UW pilot is right or not in
playing it.

Removing a single 2-power creature from the board vs. aggro is not something you really want to be doing, you've got to do better than that. If that were the case, they could just play Omenspeaker as a "Scry 2, block your dude" roadbump instead. I'd expect decks to adopt Electrickery in the main before Last Breath. (Since most of the relevant creatures only have 1 toughness in the early game.)

[lorddax]

Don't worry bro I got you

1. No - style at the time.
2. No - he had restraint and respect.
3. No - effeminate, maybe, but doesn't mean gay.
4. No - he was unconscious.
5. No - it was more like a wave/salute thing.
6. No - what cartoon doesn't have nice eyebrows?
7. No - more restraint and respectful and cared for her well-being.
8. No - Obviously, a handsome, single and wealthy man like him has had his fill of average pussy and he wants substance and character. Ariel's a red head and he instantly falls in love with her for her looks and voice.
9. No - style of the time.
10. No - Happy/starry eyed is not eye roll.
11. No - Nothing sassy there.
12. No - What guy leaves a girl looking like a bum? She may be broke but she doesn't have to be shitty looking around him. He can afford to make her look presentable and
classy.
13. NO - Ballroom dancing is not just for gays.
14. NO - So does a fucking satyr and they're all about the nymph.
15. NO - Kinda hard to get to know someone better without talking to them and the other bitch used magic on him, so that doesn't count.
16. No - He's a fucking prince! Also, still a Euro prince style for certain events.
17. NO - He just took off the fucking jacket and gloves!
18. NO - By that assumption, Superman is gay, Bruce Wayne is gay, and the other disney princes are gay… but they're not.

People misunderstand bad motherfuckin princes ;P

Also the original Hans Anderson version would have mad one hell of a different Disney movie. . .

I love reading MY book of the original Grimm tales to my younger family members and making my cousins hate me over the sleepless nights

[redthirst]

Well this seals it Alex. Thirst was right. You were TOO perfect....

Definitive Proof Alex is Gay

I fucking died laughing.

Having actually read the Hans Andersen version of The Little Mermaid, you'd never assume these things. Eric is a bad motherfucker in that book. Motherfucking ship captain and all-around bad motherfucker.

Counterargument:
You read The Little Mermaid - you, sir, are in fact super gay.

[warwizard87]

Well this seals it Alex. Thirst was right. You were TOO perfect....

Definitive Proof Alex is Gay

I fucking died laughing.

Having actually read the Hans Andersen version of The Little Mermaid, you'd never assume these things. Eric is a bad motherfucker in that book. Motherfucking ship captain and all-around bad
motherfucker.

Counterargument: You read The Little Mermaid - you, sir, are in fact super gay.

Cant stop laughing.

[Alex]

Well this seals it Alex. Thirst was right. You were TOO perfect....

Definitive Proof Alex is Gay

I fucking died laughing.

Having actually read the Hans Andersen version of The Little Mermaid, you'd never assume these things. Eric is a bad motherfucker in that book. Motherfucking ship captain and all-around bad
motherfucker.

Counterargument: You read The Little Mermaid - you, sir, are in fact super gay.

Counter-counterpoint: I read the little mermaid so that I could fuck this:





Your move.