[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

Christen · Postby **Christen** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:53 am

Fanatic is a good finisher provided you can determine when the best time to play him.

Decklist. I'm pretty sure I would've put Hammer over that singleton GHC. Did that GHC do work?

Kazekirimaru · Postby **Kazekirimaru** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:53 am

"Why did you play fanatic?"

"Because it does shit and it does shit NOW"

Helios · Postby **Helios** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:55 am

Happy happy day gentlemen. Happy day.

Kazekirimaru · Postby **Kazekirimaru** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:56 am

Watch out, guize. Mono Red might become in vogue.

Brace yourselves, bad brews from everyone on the internet are coming.

photodyer · Postby **photodyer** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:58 am

Yeah, thinking about Zealot > Hammer > Reckoner >Fanatic just gives me goosebumps. That card is stone-cold nuts.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:59 am

What's this? A red mage that knows what he's talking about?

We must recruit him.

Christen · Postby **Christen** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:59 am

So what are your plans for the upcoming hate train?

Helios · Postby **Helios** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:01 am

Just had a moment of mini-speculation and ordered a playset of foil fanatics @ $9 shipped. Pretty much to commemorate this day, I don't even intend to play them.

photodyer · Postby **photodyer** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:02 am

Fanatic is a good finisher provided you can determine when the best time to play him.

Decklist. I'm pretty sure I would've put Hammer over that singleton GHC. Did that GHC do work?

Exactly my thought...seems more impactful than that one GHC.

Kazekirimaru · Postby **Kazekirimaru** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:03 am

GHC is always a threat, though.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:05 am

Damn my PyroRed would have crushed in these red mirrors :'(

You think so? Doesn't Reckoner ruin your day?

Christen · Postby **Christen** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:08 am

GHC is always a threat, though.

The thing here is, it's only 1 GHC, and there would be more games that 1 Hammer would be the better card that you play than the games where GHC takes you the distance. It's also synergistic with the deck: adding two damage to Fanatic and making it able to attack right out of the gate; and it allows you to turn those extra lands to threats.

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:08 am

I'd prefer the hammer, but I get the chainwalker. Gives him another 2-drop to chain into with BTE and it's 3 power which is a lot.

Helios · Postby **Helios** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:09 am

@JS: No more than he has before. We also have Reckoners in the side.

Helios · Postby **Helios** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:15 am

Catch you gents on the flip side, it's beddyby time for me. One last hoorah for Fanatic!

photodyer · Postby **photodyer** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:17 am

Sleep well, Helios--thanks for the updates!

Kazekirimaru · Postby **Kazekirimaru** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:18 am

g'night Helios

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:24 am

So to make his deck not suck:

Creatures (28)
4 Burning Tree Emmisary
4 Boros Reckoner
4 Fanatic of Mogis
4 Firedrinker Saytr
4 Firefist Striker
4 Gore House Chainwalker
4 Rakdos Cackler

Lands (22)
22 Mountain

Spells (10)
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Shock

Sideboard (15)
4 Frostburn Weird
3 Burning Earth
2 Hammer of Purphoros
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
4 Mizzium Mortars

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:32 am

Or

Creatures (28)
4 Ash Zealot
4 Boros Reckoner
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Fanatic of Mogis
4 Firedrinker Saytr
4 Gore House Chainwalker
4 Rakdos Cackler

Lands (22)
22 Mountain

Spells (10)
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Shock

Sideboard (15)
4 Frostburn Weird
3 Burning Earth
2 Hammer of Purphoros
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
4 Mizzium Mortars

Alex · Postby **Alex** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:46 am

I keep thinking you guys are talking about League of Legends World Championship when you talk about Fanatic...

Link · Postby **Link** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:52 am

So to make his deck not suck:

Creatures (28)
4 Burning Tree Emmisary
4 Boros Reckoner
4 Fanatic of Mogis
4 Firedrinker Saytr
4 Firefist Striker
4 Gore House Chainwalker
4 Rakdos Cackler

Lands (22)
22 Mountain

Spells (10)
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Shock

Sideboard (15)
4 Frostburn Weird
3 Burning Earth
2 Hammer of Purphoros
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
4 Mizzium Mortars

lol these were my thoughts as well.

Looks like a lot more solid of a list. Ash Zealot over Firedrinker certainly is better in the mirror matches or wannaba red decks that will pop up, but you really just gotta have the 8 1-drops against U/W and Esper decks.

Christen · Postby **Christen** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:57 am

Isn't his deck a build-around Fanatic? I don't think you can change Zealot or BTE as easily as that. If I'm to go fast aggro, I wouldn't want to have 4 copies of Fanatic as it will only do 3-4 damage most of the time.

Link · Postby **Link** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:01 am

thats why Im leaning toward favoring the BTE build with no-ash zealot. Shes solid, but you just really want that turn 1 play and being able to swing into an 0/3 plant then play a BTE+Chainwalker post combat is where you want to be at in this deck imo

I wouldn't say its a build around either. Its still operates with RDW and even has some lategame potential postboard with Chanda herself. You're just giving up the mutavault engine for being able to cast BTE on curve all the time and reckoner

Link · Postby **Link** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:07 am

Oh I just noticed you cut the birds from the first list. I might be crazy but the BTE build you listed Johnny.... its possible that without Mutavault firefist striker is just worse than chandra's phoenix in that list.

I mean you have no haste cause we cut zealot, so no real way to turn him on.

And CP gives it a later game angle (and also provides 2 devotion to fanatic)'

it messes the curve up, but that would be my other change and see how it works

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:09 am

Just play Z's deck or my deck:

19 Mountain
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
4 Magma Jet
4 Chandra's Phoenix
3 Mutavault
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Searing Spear
4 Shock
4 Ash Zealot
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Firedrinker Satyr
1 Hammer of Purphoros
3 Fanatic of Mogis
SB: 4 Mizzium Mortars
SB: 3 Act of Treason
SB: 1 Mutavault
SB: 1 Hammer of Purphoros
SB: 1 Skullcrack
SB: 2 Flames of the Firebrand
SB: 3 Peak Eruption

While I do want to play Jund at states, I've realized the midrange mirror is iffy since without farseek I can't just keep 90% of openers anymore since you will lose to manascrew and I've had this deck in my pocket for a while.

It's mostly the same as Z's with my personal touches mixed in with his cards. I'll probably cut flames for reckoner, and I want 2 dragons in the board, but list is solid. If the deck doesn't board cleanly, it's because I haven't applied any science to it and just put all the
cards I want to play in the board.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:22 am

I can't wait to play infinite red mirrors vs net deckers.

Going to be so rich. Also that scrub that challenged me that seems to have disappeared from the mtgs forums...

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:23 am

Full Retard Devotion

Creatures (28)
4 Ash Zealot
4 Boros Reckoner
4 Fanatic of Mogis
4 Firedrinker Saytr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Rakdos Shred Freak
4 Storm Breath Dragon

Lands (24)
22 Mountain
2 Nyxthos, Shrine to Nyx

Spells (18)
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet

Sideboard (15)
4 Frostburn Weird
3 Burning Earth
2 Hammer of Purphoros
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
4 Mizzium Mortars

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:25 am

"Maybe it's the first time I've sat through a live coverage, but tell me I'm not the only person who thinks a potato has better insight, understanding, and comments than Cedric."

Best thing I've seen on Sally all day.

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:27 am

@Johnny: It's Red Devotion Wins.

Kazekirimaru · Postby **Kazekirimaru** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:32 am

Potatoes can light lightbulbs. Can Cedric do that? Doubtful.

Kazekirimaru · Postby **Kazekirimaru** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:33 am

I keep thinking you guys are talking about League of Legends World Championship when you talk about Fanatic...

I had a Fnatic mousepad once upon a time...

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:35 am

Chandra's +1 to falter is so underrated. Usually worth a lot more than 1 damage.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:41 am

Cedric Phillips, 3rd rate SCG commentator, 9th rate human being. The only person who knows less about the game than him is Travis Woo.

Yarpus · Postby **Yarpus** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:10 am

Yes, listening to Cedric Philips can give you some kind of MTG-Cancer.
White people have Hitler and Stalin to be ashamed of. But hey, black people have Cedric Philips. Take that black people!
It's good to see that Red Deck WINS, I've also seen nice Boros Deck but it played a lot of creatures and much less burn than I do... and no maindeck Chained to the Rocks.

My summary from this tournament:
- Elspeth is tits-shit-crazy good
- Chandra is tits-shit-crazy good
- Our main opponent to beat is again UW Control, good thing it has it's own nemesis in form of UB/Esper.
- White Weenies with Red splash aren't actually that bad. I think that better construction of this deck could actually spawn a reasonable archetype. Not a fan, but I believe it worked pretty well.
- Fanatic of Mogis is tits-shit-crazy good
- Reckoner doing work, but I'm not gonna jump into hypetrain.
- Single target removal might be rendered
useless. Aetherling and Aggro decks don't really give a fuck about it.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:15 am

Based on this event:

[deck]Pyromancer Red[/deck]

More dedicated anti-UWx and Rx package, little lighter on cards for midrange. Post board YP gets out of control, when you take out the 1 drops for all the removal ever printed.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:21 am

Elspeth is going down to that deck FYI.

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:22 am

I'm waiting for Cedric to opine "Rakdos Cackler really is a hybrid red/black 1 drop!"

Z, He did say something very similar to this in one of the Esper vs Mono Red games. The Esper guy had Blood Baron out and the Red player had a Cackler out. He was trying to say something about Baron's protection from black/white.

Cedric Phillips, 3rd rate SCG commentator, 9th rate human being.

You forgot 1st Class piece of shit.

Khaospawn · Postby **Khaospawn** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:29 am

The winning decklist:

Creatures (29)

4 Ash Zealot
4 Boros Reckoner
4 Burning-Tree Emissary
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Fanatic of Mogis
4 Firefist Striker
1 Gore-House Chainwalker
4 Rakdos Cackler

Lands (21)

21 Mountain

Spells (10)

4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Shock

Sideboard
4 Frostburn Weird
4 Burning Earth
1 Hammer of Purphoros
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
4 Mizzium Mortars

4x1-drops, 8x3-drops, and 4x4-drops on 21 land is pretty bold. I'm not complaining about Mono Red taking it down (Fanatic deck!), I'm just saying that I probably would've built the deck a little bit different.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:39 am

Very bold post-board with a billion 4 drops. Still, I remember all the 4 Hellrider on 20 land decks that did really well for a week before returning to reality.

photodyer · Postby **photodyer** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:02 am

I just copied the pyromancer deck over into the mono red deck sticky, James.

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