As far as I can see I've only had one question addressed to me while I was away, so I'll respond to that and then give some general remarks:
I'm in one on-going game with Kaze (and on-going games are taboo to discuss for as long as they're on-going). Why do you ask?
It was an attempt to learn how likely it would be that you would know the color of the role PM's beforehand. To be completely honest, I'm somewhat
suspicious of you. The method of placing yourself in someone's shoes that Stardust discussed does, however, make it seem more likely that you are town. Even if you are scum yourself, this gambit did in my eyes pretty much confirm imopen2 as Town. That means that if you would be scum, you would be trading off one confirmed townie for being pretty much cleared of suspicion until far later stages of the game. It seems like a fair tradeoff. So the real question is, like Stardust suggested, how likely is the gambit to fail and how badly would your initial post reflect on you if it did?
Actually, after typing all that out and answering that question for myself, I've come to the conclusion that contrary to my intuition, it's more likely that you are town. I was probably just frustrated by what felt was a pretty patronizing series of posts by you, and allowed that to colour my judgement. Sorry
I guess I'll still post these
ruminations so that my reasoning is clear. Perhaps one of you experienced players can tell me/us something about whether that's wise.
Why would playing in a game with Kaze where Kaze isn't the mod affect what color the role PMs are in a game where Kaze is the mod?
I didn't specifically ask if Kaze was in the game as mod or player. I thought that it would be best not to make my angle obvious, since as scum you would be under no obligation to answer truthfully. However, since other games are taboo anyway, this question seems misplaced from the get-go.
After reading the thread, then reading everyone's posts sequentially, my estimation of everyone in order of likelihood to be town or scum is:
Town
imopen2
Iso
Stardust
nTubeHunter
RedNihilist
rcwraspy
Checkbox
DroppinSuga
Scum
Can you state your reasons, since you opted to provide a list?
Sure.
Town
imopen2: Pretty much (short of some mind-boggling next level ploy) confirmed as town by Iso's gambit.
Iso: See my reasoning in the quote above.
Stardust: Explained and defended the gambit. This could theoretically be scum-motivated, if he thinks the gambit would be universally accepted as valid; he, as an experienced player, would perhaps be considered suspicious if he didn't recognize this play as pro-town before us newbies. Seems less likely than being pro-town though. He had a well-reasoned read on Suga as scum, seems to be scumhunting (and doing it well).
TubeHunter: Seems to share my read on the two most likely town players. Was pretty much the first to get on the Suga bandwagon (I consider this a town tell for now).
RedNihilist: Early to
vote for Suga. Little content for the rest at the time I wrote this list up. Is this suspicious? (I'm looking at you, o experienced ones) Most recent posts make me slightly more suspicious, but I'm waiting to see how the discussion between him and Iso pans out. Null read.
rcwraspy: Pretty much same as above minus the vote for Suga. The recent post suggesting Stardust didn't indict Suga strongly enough doesn't seem like a strong tell either, though I disagree with that sentiment. Null read.
Checkbox: I find the line "Doing something that is pro town in a non-townie way seems scummy" suspicious. It might be an oversight though.
I'm not doing anything close to claiming until someone comes up with a real reason for the wagon.
I don't know why, but this sentence gives me the feeling Checkbox is not VT. I think it's the part "anything close". That could still go both ways, of course. I am leaning slightly towards scum.
DroppinSuga:
I can go into this if anyone wants, but the reasons why Suga seems scummy are IMO pretty clear at this point.
Scum
I forgot about this:
Have you read the setup information?
I did. Did you mean to say that with this setup, the information we gain by night is limited? I figured that 2/6 setups have a cop. In an additional 2/6, there is a tracker. Both roles seem like they would offer quite a bit of nighttime information, though it is only available to the PR
without exposing them to a mafia kill if they make it too obvious how they get their information. A jailkeeper can sometimes also randomly stumble upon a good bit of information on the first night. It seemed like this would make it likely enough that some information were to come out of the night other than just the mafia kill. However, things having progressed as they did, I'm pretty content about the current bandwagon. I see how a lynch decision can be well-informed even on day one.
The problem with the "2/6 setups have a Cop" argument is that 1/2 of those setups include a scum Roleblocker. That means that a sharp mafia team (provided Suga isn't the Roleblocker, and we do, in fact, have a Cop in this setup, which I have my doubts about) might be able to pick them up and take them out pretty easily. Same with the Tracker - there's no guarantee the mafia won't hit them on Night 1, or that we'll get any especially useful results. Sure, a Jailer might be able to block the
mafia kill, but we won't know if that's because there's a Bulletproof in the setup (if they step forward, which they shouldn't if they get hit toNight), the Jailer protected the kill target, or the Jailer blocked the mafia kill.
So sure, there are pieces of information that we can pick up from the Night actions, but short of an incriminating Cop result, behavioral analysis is our strongest weapon right now.
The experience from this thread so far has made me see that. We are in agreement.
I don't have anything confirmed yet other than my own role, but if suga is scum then I think either checkbox or clownfish are probable scum-partners with him. If he is town then I would need to reevaluate everyone.
Why do you think that I might be Suga's scum partner?
and you. upon rereading your posts i have to restate my thoughts. you have been extremely inquisitive (which is kinda the point of this game so i don't fault you), but some of your questions have seemed like attempts to defend a possible scum-buddy in checkbox, not suga. i misremembered you defending suga when in fact it was only ever checkbox. you are still scum-leaning to me but i don't think suga's flip will tell sway me one way or the other on you. others of your posts have struck me as odd, like asking what the benefits of ending the day without a lynch are, or when there should be a mass claim. like i said, these are noob-type questions so i'm not trying to lynch you for them,
but they make me want to keep a closer eye on you.
To clarify my initial couple of posts: I didn't specifically aim to defend Checkbox, I was just asking why Stardust would vote for him because I somewhat misunderstood his first post and didn't follow the logic at the time. I pointed out two reasons why his post could be seen as suspicious in the process of answering Iso's pop quiz. I don't see that as a defense. As for the other questions, before we lynch someone because "Well, we have to go with someone", I wanted to be clear that this is the correct line. As for mass claiming, I was looking at Matrix6 and was wondering if there was any potential setup in there that could be broken by mass claiming. From Iso and Stardust's responses, I gather that this is not the case.
One more general remark: Iso already said that some consider the gambit with the role PM's not in the spirit of the game, so I guess that goes doubly for my next suggestion. Though we now all know the
Town color in the PM's is green, only actual townies know the exact hexadecimal code of the specific green color Kaze used. We probably don't want to use this because it kind of defeats the purpose of the game, but I'm throwing it out there for everyone to consider.
But fair, I guess.
I caught myself starting to do it in a post once when I was scum after declaring that to be a scum identifier and then stopped myself before I posted. I'll be coming after you on Day 
