Well, if someone comes galloping in agreeing but using the wrong color, that would sure be a big sign. I guess the next logical thing to look at from there is why checkbox seemed to take exception to it.Ah, right. I only explained why it's not scummy, not why it's townie. Maybe you can tell me. What motivation would townIso have for posting something like that?
Son, I want you to know that no matter what happens between your mother and me, it's all your fault.
By forcing out fellow town? Right after, Imopen made a post that would seem to many that he was a town player as well. If Iso is indeed town, a gambit used to narrow out fellow town is worth it i think? It was a sketchy play to make if he was scum, so I am inclined to lean towards him being town for now.Ah, right. I only explained why it's not scummy, not why it's townie. Maybe you can tell me. What motivation would townIso have for posting something like that?
I'm think we are going to get along this gameSo, imopen is now confirmed town to me.
Now, let's do things.
Right now, we're still (sort of) in RVS. My opening post was a gambit to lure out the next poster to see their response.
Kaze's from MafiaScum, so townies are green in role PMs (instead of blue, like on MTGS).
I know this because I have a green role.
Any questions?
Why Lisa, why why!?vote: Checkbox
Let's see what Mr. Hairbrush has to say for himself.
DroppinSuga will be doing the honours in his next post.Jesus, that post was enough for 3 votes, huh? I'm having trouble finding any real reasoning for anyone voting me. Anyone want to actually explain the wagon?
Is imopen2 town or scum?...but I just dont see what he has to gain by doing that as town.
I see what he was doing now, but I don't know why it makes him.town. Seems scummy to me; as town, you're trying to hunt scum, not town. I guess it makes a bit more sense given his tip that he gave you about sniffing out town rather than sniffing out scum, but it still just doesn't sit right with me.Yeah, you guys got it! Imagine too if someone had come out with "Of course town is blue! Vote Iso." Awesome potential value for the town, questionable potential value for the scum makes Iso most likely town.
Why would scum "hunt town" by getting them to prove they're town? That's working completely against their goals. You're clinging to this as scummy without even thinking about it, which is what's actually scummy here.I see what he was doing now, but I don't know why it makes him.town. Seems scummy to me; as town, you're trying to hunt scum, not town. I guess it makes a bit more sense given his tip that he gave you about sniffing out town rather than sniffing out scum, but it still just doesn't sit right with me.
Why would scum "hunt town" by getting them to prove they're town? That's working completely against their goals. You're clinging to this as scummy without even thinking about it, which is what's actually scummy here.[/quote:I see what he was doing now, but I don't know why it makes him.town. Seems scummy to me; as town, you're trying to hunt scum, not town. I guess it makes a bit more sense given his tip that he gave you about sniffing out town rather than sniffing out scum, but it still just doesn't sit right with me.
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I understand scum dont even have to hunt town, but to me it seems like it gives iso rep as a townie in a scummy way. He only really benefitted imopen2 here, and himself if we believe that he did what he did as a townie. I'm not saying 100% he's scummy, jm just saying I dont quite buy it
you do know RVS is a thing, right? Its not scummy in the first post of the game. Yup, I like my vote right where it is.Random votes are usually frowned upon and are seen as more of a scummy thing to do. I know Mr. Box's vote wasn't random, per se, but to me, it's a scummy thing to do and shouldn't be done by new or old players.
Wait, you're talking about when he voted for you!? I know you come from a different style of mafia, but the only questionable thing about Checkbox's first post is that his reasoning might have felt forced - like he needed a target for a reason rather than just to kick things off. How do you start games where you come from?Random votes are usually frowned upon and are seen as more of a scummy thing to do. I know Mr. Box's vote wasn't random, per se, but to me, it's a scummy thing to do and shouldn't be done by new or old players.
Thanks for answering the question, CLOWNFISH.Clownfish, the way Mafia is played here, you always want a day lynch. There's pretty much no info given out at night other than anything a PR may give. At other sites I've played, there's detailed night write ups and at those sites, a day lynch is not always useful.
Ah, my mistake.I think you misunderstood me. What I meant is that it seemed like Checkbox's post falls into the humorous and/or flawed category, not yours. Other than the things I have already discussed, I don't see anything all that suspicious.My push is based on...
well, I'll let someone else try to guess before I drop the reveal on that. I can assure you that my vote is not humorous, nor is it (intentionally, if at all) based on a flawed premise. Do you seriously see nothing strange about his post?
Enough people have commented now that I think I'll drop the bomb at the end of this post.I'm in one on-going game with Kaze (and on-going games are taboo to discuss for as long as they're on-going). Why do you ask?Have you played in more games with Kaze?Generally, it's blue/green = town, gray = neutral, red = mafia. You start to see some weird colors when cults and double scumteams
are involved, but we also know there are no Neutrals and only 2 scum in this game.
There are two instances in which a massclaim (all players claiming) are generallyGiven the known quantities in this case, do you know under what circumstances it would be wise as townie to push for mass claiming?You can draw connections from bodies, voting, and lynches. It's always best to put behavioral analysis first, setup-gaming second, unless there are known quantities about the setup in question.
Such as this one. :awesome:
Wagon information = information that can be gleaned from the votes on a player at the time they are lynched.Could you be more specific about what you mean by wagon information?Let's just say that as this game progresses, you'll see that you can gain more information
during the Day than the Night.
Have you read the setup information?The power roles will have had the opportunity to use their powers, and the mafia will most likely kill the most threatening player which gives us the opportunity to try and deduce their identity from that person's interactions.What information do you suppose we could glean from a Night phase, Clownfish?
No. There's nothing wrong with aggression in a vacuum.Did you vote because checkbox was too agressive in his post?
As I said, I'm not voting Checkbox for meta reasons.hey all. like a few of you, this is my first mafia game.
From what I can tell Iso's really coming out of the gates quickly here. I honestly have no idea what to make of that, but I also don't quite understand the vote for Checkbox. Could it be because of familiarity from previous games?
WELCOME TO MAFIAsheesh this sure is a mental game, isn't it.
"Not a great reason like that" being "I want to /barn Iso and Stardust"? (To /barn means to shamelessly agree with something with no addition of your own.)I kind of want to go along with Iso and Stardust and put some pressure on checkbox to start this game going, however I don't really want toacccedentally lynch a townie for not a great reason like that
Don't clear me just yet - I could have either been looking for the correct claim format (blue vs. green), or, if imopen is my scumbuddy, I could have been counting on him posting right after me to clear him if I happened to see him active on the site.By forcing out fellow town? Right after, Imopen made a post that would seem to many that he was a town player as well. If Iso is indeed town, a gambit used to narrow out fellow town is worth it i think? It was a sketchy play to make if he was scum, so I am inclined to lean towards him being town for now.Ah, right. I only explained why it's not scummy, not why it's townie. Maybe you can tell me. What motivation would townIso have for posting something like that?
I'm think we are going to get along this gameSo, imopen is now confirmed town to me.
Now, let's do things.
Right now, we're still (sort of) in RVS. My opening post was a gambit to lure out the next poster to see their response.
Kaze's from MafiaScum, so townies are green in role PMs (instead of blue, like on MTGS).
I know this because I have a green role.
Any questions?
Unvote, Vote Checkbox
Stardust! Please remind me to touch on this specific vote after Checkbox's claim.vote: Checkbox
Let's see what Mr. Hairbrush has to say for himself.
I'll still Query: Do you view RVS as a place where valuable information can be gathered? Why or why not?Jesus, that post was enough for 3 votes, huh? I'm having trouble finding any real reasoning for anyone voting me. Anyone want to actually explain the wagon?
as for my post; I saw what iso was doing very sketchy, if not scummy (this is my second game, so I'm not terribly great at scumtells yet). Considering he made his initial post as the second post of the game, right in the heart of RVS, and actually mentioned something as telling as PM role color, I was very confused as to why he was doing what he was doing, hence the question. I guess everyone else saw that as putting pressure on him, which I was, because I wanted an explanation for so obviously foregoing RVS for no immediate, apparent gain whether he is town or scum. It
raised a red flag so I asked a question; and I'm still waiting for an explanation I can buy.
I can't quite get behind stardust's explanation of his play; if he is scum, it is a sketchy play - I follow you that far. But I still dont get understand why it makes you think he is town; maybe he only considered it a "haha" way to start the game, but I just dont see what he has to gain by doing that as town.
You got to it before me again.Is this your explanation for your vote?Random votes are usually frowned upon and are seen as more of a scummy thing to do. I know Mr. Box's vote wasn't random, per se, but to me, it's a scummy thing to do and
shouldn't be done by new or old players.
This.How will a claim give you any confirmation unless he is a PR?
What did you think of my first vote? It was essentially naked.
Why?everything suga has done looks much more scummy than anything else so far...
Vote: DroppinSuga
What's wrong with aggression?Vote: DroppingSuga
I may be wrong but he has effectively been too aggressive in his voting (I'll comment on the issue later, now I've got to go).
Stardust stated my reason. Your reason for voting me was pretty bad and looked like you were looking for an excuse to put your vote somewhere. It's RVS so it's more leaning null than scummy, but I had to start things off somewhere, too.I'm not doing anything close to claiming until someone comes up with a real reason for the wagon. Suga obviously didn't deliver, so I'd like to hear from Iso and/or Stardust on the matter.
Мы, темнотеwho the fuck is kpaca?
You're not claiming regardless since you've only got 2 votes on you now (Iso and Suga). imopen's lucky he's town, because asking for your claim while simultaneously voting for Suga based on Suga's vote on you is super shady.I'm not doing anything close to claiming until someone comes up with a real reason for the wagon. Suga obviously didn't deliver, so I'd like to hear from Iso and/or Stardust on the matter.
To be honest, I'm not sure. I have a hard time with games that aren't based off something where you can start to figure out alignments based on character. So to be honest, I feel like a noob in this game myself.How will a claim give you any confirmation unless he is a PR?
What did you think of my first vote? It was essentially naked.
I never voted for suga and am still voting for checkboxYou're not claiming regardless since you've only got 2 votes on you now (Iso and Suga). imopen's lucky he's town, because asking for your claim while simultaneously voting for Suga based on Suga's vote on you is super shady.I'm not doing anything close to claiming until someone comes up with a real reason for the wagon. Suga obviously didn't deliver, so I'd like to hear from Iso and/or Stardust on the matter.
I don't mind explaining my vote though since Iso's quiz is over now anyway. Iso confirmed imopen as town, and probably himself in the process. I don't know if Iso was
seeing the same thing I was, but my reasoning was that scum players tend to try to discredit strong town reads because they narrow the field. Too many town reads stacking up is bad for the scum since they're at their best with the maximum number of mislynch targets possible. You arguing against that (especially since it was such a fast reaction) is worth investigating since I think it's pretty obvious what Iso was trying to do, but your mindset and explanation so far have felt townie to me. My vote was more a push for that explanation than because I legitimately wanted you lynched.
Your town read is helped by Suga, incidentally. His vote on your wagon was extremely sketchy, and his back tracking regarding your claim has made even less sense. I wanted his answers to my questions before I threw down a vote, but he's at L-2 now anyway. Please, noone else vote for Suga at this point. Suga, I support your wagon. Please claim.
EDIT: Whew. Big Iso post. Why do/did you want
Checkbox's claim? And when did I explain your reasoning for voting Checkbox?
My only vote was THE first post in the game, and it was obviously RVS. Why does that botherTo be honest, I'm not sure. I have a hard time with games that aren't based off something where you can start to figure out alignments based on character. So to be honest, I feel like a noob in this game myself.How will a claim give you any confirmation unless he is a PR?
What did you think of my first vote? It was essentially naked.
Checky's vote just bothered me since it was one of the first posts in the game and from a noob it seemed rather aggressive.
Random votes are usually frowned upon and are seen as more of a scummy thing to do. I know Mr. Box's vote wasn't random, per se, but to me, it's a scummy thing to do and shouldn't be done by new or old players.
Welp, with that one additional inconsistency/bad answer, I'm ready to vote Suga anytime. Anyone have a good reason to extend this day any further? I'd likeChecky's vote just bothered me since it was one of the first posts in the game and from a noob it seemed rather aggressive.
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