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I really like the look of Stark's list, going to sleeve it up for my LGS standard tomorrow. Just missing the masteries, but hopefully can trade for them on the night.

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Yeah I tried brewing an Athreos version myself a few days ago and was pretty underwhelmed.

Deck overall looks really interesting, it looks cheap to brew so might give it a whirl on MTGO once the FRF cards are freely available

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Val, have you considered going Mardu so you can add Athreos?

Saccing a manifested card to Athreos and getting it back in your hand seems like a nice synergy. Also opens up Butcher as a Sac outlet

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OK so I played a daily with it, finished 2nd. In the end I chopped Howl of the Horde and played 2 Ajani instead: [deck]Creatures:12 4 Elvish Mystic 4 Boon Satyr 4 Goblin Rabblemaster Spells:24 4 Chained to the Rocks 2 Lightning Strike 4 Raise the Alarm 4 Hordeling Outburst 2 Ajani Steadfast 1 Chandr...

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yeah Eidolon is in the RW list That was one thing I realised after I posted the list, there's no anthem effects in the 75. Eidolon and Spear are both WWx, so no good. Off the top of my head, either Ajani Steadfast or Trumpet Blast could be options. Ajani could be worth trying, as the lifelink could ...

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I've been playing RW tokens recently and really enjoying the deck. Pre-rotation I was playing Pat Cox's White Weenie deck , which then morphed in to Brave Naya . This set me thinking to whether switching to Naya could improve the RW tokens deck. The most obvious card to add is Xenagos, the Reveler ....

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I've been thinking about BW warriors myself, Bile Blight seems really well positioned at the moment with all the token decks about and BW warriors feels like the best shell if you want to be a beatdown deck. My 2c: - 8 CITPT lands is a lot when you are looking to curve out, I'd cut some of the barre...

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Yes 23 lands would be a bit light for casting Roc on curve. Sam Black and Craig Wescoe both run 24+ lands, so I think it's a safe be that 24 is correct for the stock list. If you want to run 23, then I'd cut Roc completely and bring in something like Swiftspear instead

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I'm thinking about going the other way and playing Craig Wescoe's 2-colour RW tokens deck. I've started testing on MTGO and deck is really fun to play. Am happy to do a primer if folks are interested. Heck yeah. More is better with decklists and primers. Finally got round to doing this: http://dies...

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History This deck was originally developed by Craig Wescoe. It's a similar deck to Mardu Midrange, but skewed more towards aggro, with less taplands and a lower curve. The deck is built around generating tokens and comboing them with cards such as Eidolon of Countless Battles and Wingmate Roc. More...

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Dauntless: I think "finished" in this context means the core deck (lands, major cards) is finished; same as burn was, some cards are mandatory 4-ofs (YP, phoenix, burn spells) and then you have a few flex slots + sideboard for tweaking vs current meta. If you look at the top 8 I posted, th...

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Check out the decklists from the £10k I played in last weekend: http://www.darkchallenge.com/decks.php?e=18 5 out of top 8 were Mardu Midrange. Top 4 + Winner (Fabrizio Anteri) were all playing Mardu Midrange. Seems like we've hit peak Mardu in London. RE the 4-colour, I actually agree with you guys...

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Did you guys see Brad Nelson played 4-colour midrange at the SCG thing over the weekend? Deck looks sweet, you can jam 9 planeswalkers in post-board for when you want to out-control other midrange decks. Creatures (17) 3 Butcher of the Horde 2 Satyr Wayfinder 4 Siege Rhino 4 Sylvan Caryatid 4 Course...

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I still think Wingmate Roc is the best option for that slot (over SBD and Phoenix). You can normally trigger raid in game 1, as you have so many token makers (8 main deck). I'll normally side it out in game 2 if I flip to control mode, as you lose a lot of the raid enablers. The lifegain can be rele...

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Played in my LGS Standard last night. Went 3-1, beating Naya Midrange, Mardu Aggro and BG Enchantress, lost to Jeskai. The Jeskai match was close, he won the opener, I sided in to control and won the second game (at one point he lightning striked 2 separate goblin tokens, as I'd sided out all my 2 t...

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While Jeskai is less popular these days, there are guys like Fleecemane Lion and Raksasha Deathdealer. 4 Lightning Strike is the way to go. I'd personally cut 1 Sorin in your list for the fourth. Yeah the 3rd Sorin gets sided out a lot. I originally had the 3rd one, as Jeskai was super-popular in m...

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Do you not side out Sorin when you side out Creatures/Outburst? Generally yes. I think against Abzan I'd leave in one Seeker unless they are main-decking banishing light/suspension field, in which case I'd bring in an Erase. Why on earth is there that split between strike and jet? I'm experimenting...

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I've moved up to 3 erase in the sideboard, as heroic ascendency and b/g enchantress are getting more popular (the one that plays Hornet Queen and Whip of Erebos). I'm on a good run on Modo, I'm about 90% win rate with current build. The only deck I've lost to recently was the Whip deck, but mainly a...

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Amen brother

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It's basically aggro/control. You are normally the beatdown in game 1 and control game 2, depending on opposition though obviously.

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De Tora article on Mardu Midrange in TCG today: http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=12165

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Yeah I considered SBD, it fits the mana base better and dodges Abzan Charm, Utter End, Banishing Light etc, which is great. Against Jeskai I'm normally more worried about stabilizing first before I start beating down though, which is why I prefer Wingmate (partly for the lifegain and partly as it gi...

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Tried Altac Bloodseeker as a 1-of, yet to draw him, so not sure if he's any good or not. There's a new article up on TCG looking at a few different builds: http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=12163 A lot of the well performing decks had Wingmate. I like De Tora's build, but I've added a 3rd...

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I tried the latest version without Wingmate Roc, but did't like it, feels too threat light in game 1. I think the answer is -2 Magma Jet and then +2 SBD or +2 Ashcloud Phoenix. I'm testing with Phoenix at the moment and actually works pretty well. The thing I like about it is you show the Jeskai pla...

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I've been testing with the original GPLA list. The only card I've struggled against is Hornet Queen, going to try running Hushwing Griff in the sideboard as a hedge (had a game where I got oppo down to 1 life, but he managed to hornet queen and then staved me off long enough to ultimate Nissa!) It's...

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Looking for opinions on this list: [DECK] Lands (23) 4x Battlefield Forge 4x Bloodstained Mire 4x Caves of Koilos 4x Mana Confluence 2x Mountain 2x Plains 2x Swamp Creatures (24) 4x Bloodsoaked Champion 4x Butcher of the Horde 4x Goblin Rabblemaster 4x Monastery Swiftspear 4x Soldier of the Pantheo...

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how can that deck not play Thunderous Might?!!

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I think it depends how aggro you are going. In the aggro shell I think Crackling Doom is better. I want to be killing Planeswalkers with creatures, rather than wasting a card (you are often getting 2-for-1'd if you Downfall a Nissa, Xenagos or Elspeth). Sometimes you'll get a 2-for-1 yourself with C...

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Yeah it's very much a work in progress.

The basic idea is to have enough lifegain to be able to beat rabble/aggro/burn (big worry as so much life loss from the manabase), but to still be aggro enough to kill the ramp decks before they can get going properly

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(I originally posted this in the Mardu Aggro thread, but realised it's more a mid-range deck, so re-posting here) I've been testing out a Mardu deck for rotation, been through a few iterations, quite happy with the current list: Creatures:21 4 Bloodsoaked Champion 4 Seeker of the Way 3 Brimaz, King ...

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Had an idea for a deck, not sure if it's competitive, interested to hear what you guys think. Basically the idea is to abuse Pre-eminent Captain and Outlast. I noticed that virtually all the good outlast guys are soldiers. If the meta is going to be heavy with G/x ramp decks that are a bit light on ...

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I've been testing out a Mardu deck for rotation, been through a few iterations, quite happy with the current list: Creatures:21 4 Bloodsoaked Champion 4 Seeker of the Way 3 Brimaz, King of Oreskos 4 Goblin Rabblemaster 4 Butcher of the Horde 2 Stormbreath Dragon Spells:15 2 Titan's Strength 2 Magma ...

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I think he's going for the archetypal grindy Rakdos deck, so the phoenix is slightly better fit (you cast it, they kill it, they have to kill it again or you flip it later on). Deck gameplan appears to be to kill/hand hate your opponent's threats and win on pseudo-card advantage from phoenix / rabbl...

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I'd be tempted to run War-name aspirant somehow, maybe cut a few pump spells. The Tom Ross version ran 27 creatures and 17 mountains with a similar "curve" (more a flat line really). That list included four 2-drops. http://www.starcitygames.com/article/28690_The-Return-of-Boss-Sligh.html W...

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Such life loss. Must be pretty brutal to play against for a slow deck though. T1 1 drop, T2 two x 1 drop, T3 ascendency swing with 6 creatues, T4 trumpet blast. Some games you will get seriously blown out by sweepers though, if you don't get your ascendency down quick enough. I think overall it's a ...

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Yes definitely play Sorin, he'll help you rebuild from a sweeper, help you race other aggro decks and pump your team. Thoughtseize I think is bad in the main deck, you're the beat down and don't want to durdle about at the start. It's also a pretty bad top deck. I'd have 3-4 in the sideboard and bri...

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I'm considering playing G/r ramp/devotion post rotation. Strategy basically to ramp in to big threats, ideally some permutation of Xenagos +1, Nykthos/Voyaging Satyr, Nissa +1 to make a huge mana pool, then power out a big Genesis hydra / Polukranos / Hornet Queen / Crater's Claws. Provisional deck ...

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I've been messing about with a couple of Mardu builds. The first one I did was more creature focussed, token sub-theme to pump with Sorin and/or Sac to Butcher: Creatures:23 4 Bloodsoaked Champion 4 Soldier of the Pantheon 4 War-Name Aspirant 3 Brimaz, King of Oreskos 4 Goblin Rabblemaster 4 Butcher...

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Yeah I guess worst case you can probably double/triple block with your team. In theory you just smash face and kill them with your flyers before they can ramp in to anything too big. The nightmare scenario is when they Genesis Hydra in to Hornet Queen (quite easy to do in the ramp deck), which is wh...

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Yeah I like having the extra fetches so you can filter your draws with Courser, I've only got the foothills available at the moment though. I think the Planeswalker version looks more solid due to the card advantage and more resilient to sweepers. The only downside at the moment is neither deck has ...

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